How exactly is there good money to be made by reserve pilots as compared to now?

Loss of 150% above 70.5 hours wasn't addressed...
Loss of the 3 hours of credit for each reserve day wasn't addressed...

and, straight from the Addendum...

"The Company acknowledges that reserve pilots are not eligible to initiate
open time transactions, including the pick-up of open time. However, the
Company may offer open time trips to a reserve pilot who has made

himself or herself available on days off."

So, without the loss of the first two items, a reserve now has to work harder each month to break guarantee, and to make any real money, you have to make yourself available on your days off because you can't initiate an open-time transaction. Then you only get LDO pay "IF" they offer you any open flying.

Sorry, but I'm just not seeing how a reserve can make "good money" under the LOA and subsequent Addendum.

It's not proprunner;

4 on 3 off is the only way to have a family life if you commute. 2 off is terrible.

Notice that the addendum didn't fix the loss of 70.5, 3/day for reserves, and the personal day stuff.

Also we don't have a competitive payscale.

Still Concessionary

No.

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At least it was a somewhat decent contract before. But with this new LOA and lower than standard pay scale, which says a lot, I don't understand how they think this will attract and retain pilots.

Silver Airways LOA (2014)
 

Nononononononononono!!!!!

You have not been on reserve long enough! There's not enough alcohol in the world to keep me sedated on reserve if this passes.

Voted no, done

Very true! I've seen you drink!!:D

I voted the opposite of yes :D

Finally done!

Can anyone confirm that first year pay will increase to $27.15 in May still, and will this mean each subsequent level pay will increase accordingly?

According to the LOA, if ratified, FO payscale will increase 10% across the board. Only if it passes, of course.

But like every contract, it must be taken as a whole. The loss of overtime for reserves coupled with the 18 straight days away from home for commuters, make it a net loss of take-home pay for new hires due to lower credit hour potential on reserve. I voted no.

but prior to the LAO, wasn't there already contractual increases to compensate for inflation?.....or did I just made up that whole thing in my head?

Yes there are, DOS+3 scale will go into effect this May regardless of LOA status. Goes up to DOS+5. Starting FO pay on the Saab as of May 6 will be $25.29 without the LOA.

From what I could tell, it seems that more money was given to the company via concessions than was given to the pilot group via raises. If the cost of this LOA is positive, it sure isn't statistically significant enough to even consider voting yes.


I see tho LOA as a "we need pay raises for the pilot group" but since there is no money for raises, we'll give up X, Y, and Z to be able to show we got "pay raises".


This LOA definitely falls under the "pulling the wool over the sheep's eyes" category.

I wonder what the preliminary numbers are haha

Why don't we get Wolf Blitzer over on CNN to do an update?


With 1% of the precincts reporting, we can call this in favor of...

Voted.



Also, grievances should come first.

More than 50% voted so far, get out there and vote!!!

...and do you fellow pilots a favor and vote NO!

Guys, looking to commute on silver from tlh to mco on a regular basis. Are thos flights typically full? Good luck with your voting. Hope it works out well

Yes yes they are

Official results:

Yes - 23 - 15.75%
No - 123 - 84.25%

146 votes out of 178 eligible voters - 82.02% participation.

APC poll results, for comparison:

Yes - 10 - 24.39%
No - 30 - 73.17%
Unsure - 1 - 2.44%

So now what happens?

I asked that weeks ago on the union board and NEVER got an answer. So good luck finding out!

With that kind of overwhelming statement of NO, there at least need to be a complete overhaul of the Negotiatiing Committee.

Nothing. Everything remains status quo.

Are you volunteering? I'm sure our Chief Negotiator would be glad to have your "expertise" during the next round of negotiations. Remember, he's the same guy that was involved in the drafting of the 2011 CBA, the one in which we currently work under. Don't underestimate his ability as a negotiator.

There are two sides of the table, remember that.

never mind.........

So... is it status quo or are we going back to the table?


Serious question, why is every union response always "are you volunteering?" I would say yes, but I doubt that a new agreement can be hammered out in less than a week.

Only reason I said changes need to be made are the pilot group just overwhelmingly voted NO on the LOA. Honestly, the ExCo should not be part of the Negotiating Committee. NC should report to the ExCo, but there needs to be some fresh blood sitting down at the table if there is a next time around.

As far as I know, status quo.

We ask that question because some pilots like to gripe but when it comes to doing work, they'd rather sit back and let someone else do it. There's very little benefit in it for me, but I do it anyway to improve the lives of those around me. Same goes for our ExCo, Negotiating Committee, Stewards, and Committee members. You do a LOT of griping ctab, but I don't see you doing much work on behalf of your fellow crew members (honestly that could be because I don't have the faintest idea who you are, so correct me if I'm wrong).

I agree, maybe the NC could use some fresh blood, but I wouldn't replace the Chief Negotiator. He's an asset. The no vote is a good thing, especially how overwhelming it was. It shows that we are standing together, not ready to accept anything less than what we're worth. For now, we maintain what we've got and make progress when we can.