Originally Posted by Bzzt (Post 1590693)

There are not many average joes getting hired right now and who knows when or if that will ever change. The military is facing drastic cuts in funding now so we're about to see an influx of military pilots.

Originally Posted by Bzzt (Post 1590693)

There are not many average joes getting hired right now and who knows when or if that will ever change. The military is facing drastic cuts in funding now so we're about to see an influx of military pilots.

Originally Posted by full of luv (Post 1590701)

How much will foreign contract work if say one of the legacies goes bk for good? The reason contract work pays more is because it has too compete for labor. How bout 2020 with 12,000 legacy pilots dumped on the economy and other countries eventually train their own pilots won't be much of a contract job market then. By definition contract work is temporary.

Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp (Post 1590697)

He left in 2006 to go overseas before the legacies started hiring again. No doubt he'd be at a top tier carrier here had he stayed as he's an incredibly sharp guy.

Originally Posted by Flitestar (Post 1590668)

Clamp,

You gotta throw the tax-free and the housing in there in the mix too, at least just for procedure's sake in order to come close to an apples-apples comparison.

For ease of calculation, just see how long it would take for a DL FO to make $132,000 after taxes. I used guarantee for my numbers, but you get my point.

This is not a jab at DL, didn't mean to strike a nerve there. Just grab them as an example.

I see your angle about trying to look at the big picture, the problem is that management and ALPA have failed to look after lots of regional pilot groups in terms of protecting their income on behalf of the mainline carriers they also represent without shame. I will not fault a pilot who pursues a flying job in the ME chasing money, after the same Union who cries "faul" at foreign carriers failed miserably at protecting this pilots' income, seniority and QOL through acquisitions, mergers, concessionary contracts, endorsements from big wigs to pilot groups to take concessions, the list goes on.

The moment ALPA stops representing mainline carriers as well as the regional feeds of said airline, then some may start listening to what they have to say...

Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp (Post 1590706)

Hiring has just begun... and there is an obscene amount of retirements in the next 10 years. The regionals can't fill classes, hence the desperation moves lately by them to put one last breath in the model. That has failed (much to your shortsighted chagrin), so I think you'll start seeing some improvements and at the very least increased mainline capacity and siphoning jobs off of the regionals. That is already happening in the DL system. More high paying jobs and less low paying jobs are good things.

Originally Posted by flapsfail (Post 1590720)

The hypocrisy with ALPA and mainline is amazing. When they start supporting us, I'll return the favor. There is zero professional curtesy in this industry and as far as I'm concerned they've created this problem and now they are trying to combat it. First they hate southwest, then the regionals, followed by jet blue, Virginia America and now all the foreign guys..
Who else can we blame? If there was a real union, the unity and professionalism wouldn't come into question every other day.