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MaxPowerSet 02-26-2014 08:01 AM

U.S. airlines to lay off thousands
 
If this headline got your attention, it should, because it's what could happen if we don't speak up.

There is a huge storm brewing that could potentially devastate the U.S. airline industry and thousands of American jobs if not stopped. The U.S. merchant marine industry was decimated decades ago when cruise lines were allowed to register their ships in foreign countries with the most favorable (i.e. non-existent) labor laws, using what is known as a “flag of convenience”. This allowed the cruise lines to hire foreign workers for a fraction of what they would pay an American crewmember, forever “off-shoring” that American job. While everyone celebrated lower cruise fares, you don’t have to look hard at the cruise industry to see stories of how decision has come back to haunt us. Poor maintenance, ships dead in the water without power, illness spreading through entire ships at sea and the like are just a few of the stories of late about how cheap labor isn’t always better and you do get what you pay for.

Now imagine that foreign airlines are about to use the same scheme in the airline industry to compete with a huge advantage over U.S. carriers. The first to try this is a company called Norwegian Air International (NAI). They plan on registering their planes in Ireland (even though they never plan to fly there) and then contracting out their flight crews from a Singapore crew leasing company. This is all so that they don’t have to comply with more stringent laws and regulations of their own country or the U.S.

While being stranded for a few days on a foreign-flagged cruise ship that cut one-too-many corners may seem bad, I would gladly take that over being 30,000’ in the air when something goes wrong on a foreign air carrier that contracted out for the cheapest labor it could find. Asiana Airlines recent crash could be a foreshadowing of what is to come if this is allowed to happen on a larger scale. The losses of U.S. jobs coupled with a reduction of the level of safety of carriers flying to and from the U.S. make this proposition unacceptable.

The U.S. government can put a stop to this threat by denying Norwegian Air’s application for a Foreign Air Carrier permit. A petition is already being circulated trying to accomplish this at this web address, http://takeaction.alpa.org/ Without broader support from all of us, we may see a repeat of what happened to our merchant marine industry and thousands of us could be unemployed.

200Driver 02-26-2014 08:10 AM


Originally Posted by MaxPowerSet (Post 1590276)
If this headline got your attention, it should, because it's what could happen if we don't speak up.

There is a huge storm brewing that could potentially devastate the U.S. airline industry and thousands of American jobs if not stopped. The U.S. merchant marine industry was decimated decades ago when cruise lines were allowed to register their ships in foreign countries with the most favorable (i.e. non-existent) labor laws, using what is known as a “flag of convenience”. This allowed the cruise lines to hire foreign workers for a fraction of what they would pay an American crewmember, forever “off-shoring” that American job. While everyone celebrated lower cruise fares, you don’t have to look hard at the cruise industry to see stories of how decision has come back to haunt us. Poor maintenance, ships dead in the water without power, illness spreading through entire ships at sea and the like are just a few of the stories of late about how cheap labor isn’t always better and you do get what you pay for.

Now imagine that foreign airlines are about to use the same scheme in the airline industry to compete with a huge advantage over U.S. carriers. The first to try this is a company called Norwegian Air International (NAI). They plan on registering their planes in Ireland (even though they never plan to fly there) and then contracting out their flight crews from a Singapore crew leasing company. This is all so that they don’t have to comply with more stringent laws and regulations of their own country or the U.S.

While being stranded for a few days on a foreign-flagged cruise ship that cut one-too-many corners may seem bad, I would gladly take that over being 30,000’ in the air when something goes wrong on a foreign air carrier that contracted out for the cheapest labor it could find. Asiana Airlines recent crash could be a foreshadowing of what is to come if this is allowed to happen on a larger scale. The losses of U.S. jobs coupled with a reduction of the level of safety of carriers flying to and from the U.S. make this proposition unacceptable.

The U.S. government can put a stop to this threat by denying Norwegian Air’s application for a Foreign Air Carrier permit. A petition is already being circulated trying to accomplish this at this web address, http://takeaction.alpa.org/ Without broader support from all of us, we may see a repeat of what happened to our merchant marine industry and thousands of us could be unemployed.

Well said and thank you for continuing to spread the word. I am already involved in this fight and will help anyway I can!

seafeye 02-26-2014 08:16 AM

Maybe Alpa should start with not signing concessionary agreements.
If Emirates opens an American base I can bet you will see every regional airline close down because of lack of pilots. This keeping foreign airlines out is only helping keep poverty wages in the USA.

dl773 02-26-2014 08:57 AM

So many lies, so much disinformation in that piece. And these guys are supposed to be looking out for us!!!

Let's not forget that foreign carriers pay more than US airlines.

flapsfail 02-26-2014 08:58 AM

While I do not support this I find it very ironic. All of a sudden we are reading about the threat of our jobs to this new carrier and the low wages and a possible domino effect. For us regional guys, how much worse can it get? Where was ALPA when these contracts were thrown in our faces and where were our mainline "brothers & sisters" stepping up in support for us? Now all of a sudden they need our support and help and I don't remember having theirs....

Past V1 02-26-2014 09:25 AM


Originally Posted by flapsfail (Post 1590316)
While I do not support this I find it very ironic. All of a sudden we are reading about the threat of our jobs to this new carrier and the low wages and a possible domino effect. For us regional guys, how much worse can it get? Where was ALPA when these contracts were thrown in our faces and where were our mainline "brothers & sisters" stepping up in support for us? Now all of a sudden they need our support and help and I don't remember having theirs....

Sad but true...stepping back...popcorn ready...this is going to be good.

fullflank 02-26-2014 09:43 AM

Screw alpa. Foreign carriers pay better and have a much better product than those here. I'm supposed to give two sh$ts after I was given concessions at already a sh$tty company?

RV5M 02-26-2014 09:56 AM

Typical ALPA anti-competitive propaganda. How dare they buy our Boeing planes and bring tourism and business to the US! Have you seen their pay and benefits? Way better than I could hope for with a US airline.

And then they bring up the safety issue, which just makes me laugh when I think of all the abbreviated, good ol' boy checkrides and recurrents that go on at US airlines.

rcfd13 02-26-2014 10:11 AM

I'd gladly apply to foreign carriers if they opened US bases. The pay benefits and product are all better than anything I get with a US carrier. It's embarassing to operate flights the way some of our stations run their operation. Let the foreign carriers do it.

SebastianDesoto 02-26-2014 10:38 AM

I already have an employment offer from one of these threatening carriers. They have threatened me with a significant pay increase and career advancement. They have whipsawed me into accepting their offer.


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