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Rah TA vote 95 percent no
As of today 95 percent have voted no on the crappy ta, still doesn't close till the 28th.
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Does IBT not keep it confidential like ALPA or is this flame bait?
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Exit poll on union site, I'd post a screen shot if I knew how. Hopefully one of the nerd here can do it
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On the Skywest SAPA forums there was around an 80% no vote in the 'exit poll' and the pay package passed. People who actually take part in the exit poll are usually the ones who feel strongly one way or another. It doesn't always represent the majority.
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Originally Posted by Saabs
(Post 1602704)
Does IBT not keep it confidential like ALPA or is this flame bait?
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it is easy for alpa to manipulate the outcome, don't you think.
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Originally Posted by buddies8
(Post 1602728)
it is easy for alpa to manipulate the outcome, don't you think.
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I was referring to the statement of the two different methods used not that alpa has anything to do with RAH. Of course you new that.
ALPA did manipulate the vote at eagle on the 16 year contract. they invalidated 50% of the NO votes and to be fair they invalidated 5% of the yes votes after assuring the yes votes will win. |
Originally Posted by cartean
(Post 1602753)
If ALPA manipulates republics vote, I will be damn impressed.
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Originally Posted by flyingreasemnky
(Post 1602767)
Quote:
Originally Posted by cartean If ALPA manipulates republics vote, I will be damn impressed. Don't worry IBT is doing that very well on its own. Lots of voter irregularities. Several pilots have received their voter information (number you need to vote online) as well as another pilot's. Also, pilots that were good to vote on the last LOA are magically not eligible to vote on the TA. I have no doubt that if it somehow passes that IBT will be decertified. |
Originally Posted by 24601
(Post 1602701)
As of today 95 percent have voted no on the crappy ta, still doesn't close till the 28th.
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Originally Posted by buddies8
(Post 1602762)
I was referring to the statement of the two different methods used not that alpa has anything to do with RAH. Of course you new that.
ALPA did manipulate the vote at eagle on the 16 year contract. they invalidated 50% of the NO votes and to be fair they invalidated 5% of the yes votes after assuring the yes votes will win. Keep in mind that in all ALPA elections that I am aware of they use a bonded third party company like ballpoint to handle the election. You will also be able to shut them down. Please keep us updated as you pursue this. ALPA also has to notify a pilot who ballot is invalidated and the reason why. This is going to be a huge event! |
Originally Posted by sailingfun
(Post 1602856)
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Originally Posted by buddies8 I was referring to the statement of the two different methods used not that alpa has anything to do with RAH. Of course you new that. ALPA did manipulate the vote at eagle on the 16 year contract. they invalidated 50% of the NO votes and to be fair they invalidated 5% of the yes votes after assuring the yes votes will win. You are making a very serious complaint that involves criminal actions. Your post implies you know this for a fact. You should contact the NMB with your facts and get the ball rolling. This could easily lead to ALPA being decertified as a union and people going to prison. Keep in mind that in all ALPA elections that I am aware of they use a bonded third party company like ballpoint to handle the election. You will also be able to shut them down. Please keep us updated as you pursue this. ALPA also has to notify a pilot who ballot is invalidated and the reason why. This is going to be a huge event! |
this was done in domicile, only pilots in that domicile could vote there, if you had a west to east commute, you commuted to vote instead of voting in the local domicile. the hand signed ballots where invalidated due to the X exceeding the perimeter of the box. this was done in front of you, majority invalidated ballots were NO ballots.
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Originally Posted by buddies8
(Post 1602866)
the hand signed ballots where invalidated due to the X exceeding the perimeter of the box. this was done in front of you, majority invalidated ballots were NO ballots.
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Originally Posted by soakingpilot
(Post 1602893)
so gross and depressing...why did I look up instead of down in the sky when I was a kid?
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Originally Posted by buddies8
(Post 1602866)
this was done in domicile, only pilots in that domicile could vote there, if you had a west to east commute, you commuted to vote instead of voting in the local domicile. the hand signed ballots where invalidated due to the X exceeding the perimeter of the box. this was done in front of you, majority invalidated ballots were NO ballots.
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well what can i say it happened they were thrown in the trash barrel in front of you and they got there 16 year contract. point was not what to do about that now but a reference to possible ballot twisting to derive a desired out come.
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Originally Posted by buddies8
(Post 1603332)
well what can i say it happened they were thrown in the trash barrel in front of you and they got there 16 year contract. point was not what to do about that now but a reference to possible ballot twisting to derive a desired out come. If what you have accused has any basis in fact, whatsoever , you have an obligation to report it to the Department of Labor so the offenders can be sent to prison and a lawful vote can be conducted. You won't do that because you A) have no facts to support your accusation and B) have no desire to follow the law when it goes against your cause. Case in point: your signature line advocating voter fraud to support your side. . |
why don't you want people to vote often, or just select the ones you want to vote. every time you have an opportunity to vote, vote. what is wrong with that? I don't have to bash alpa to put them in a bad light, that is the only light alpa has, there past practices.
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Right. And every vote on every issue, even when choosing between Smith and Jones for representation, should be "NO."
As suspected, you have no response to the allegations of crime. Even a kid who can't find the Shift key to begin sentences or tell the the difference between there and their can bash ALPA. YOU accused ALPA of a crime. The only fraud here is you. . |
BLAH BLAH BLAH ....ALPO........BLAH BLAH BLAH!. Nothing worse than an ALPO apologist. We paid 9 years of ALPO dues at Midwest only to be sold out by your precious Lee Moak during the NWA, DELTA merger. I guess we weren't good enough to be integrated with Delta pilots. Seems someone made fun of Lee's tie! Go ahead ask him. Teamsters and ALPO are both the same. LOUSY!
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Ballots said to be sent out March 7th. Today is March 17th....still no ballot. Voting results the 28th? Yepp
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Coming on here and complaining you don't have a ballot is not a very effective way to have your voice heard through voting.
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Also no ballot. Many reports of pilots receiving TWO ballots in the mail. One with their name and one with another pilot's.
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Originally Posted by thump
(Post 1604580)
Also no ballot. Many reports of pilots receiving TWO ballots in the mail. One with their name and one with another pilot's.
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Originally Posted by thevagabond
(Post 1604401)
Coming on here and complaining you don't have a ballot is not a very effective way to have your voice heard through voting.
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Does this TA address the YX pilots longevity pay issues? If not, why?
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Originally Posted by ex9driver
(Post 1603488)
BLAH BLAH BLAH ....ALPO........BLAH BLAH BLAH!. Nothing worse than an ALPO apologist. We paid 9 years of ALPO dues at Midwest only to be sold out by your precious Lee Moak during the NWA, DELTA merger. I guess we weren't good enough to be integrated with Delta pilots. Seems someone made fun of Lee's tie! Go ahead ask him. Teamsters and ALPO are both the same. LOUSY!
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
(Post 1604880)
Wow, who knew that LM was running Delta airlines! I missed that part. Management decides on who they merge with not ALPA or any other union. Management also controls the seniority list and decides who goes on that list unless you have a specific contractual item. That point is forgotten over and over again or never really understood. Some pilots actually think their union or another union could simply decide to integrate another airline into their list. It simply does not work that way.
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
(Post 1604880)
Wow, who knew that LM was running Delta airlines! I missed that part. Management decides on who they merge with not ALPA or any other union. Management also controls the seniority list and decides who goes on that list unless you have a specific contractual item. That point is forgotten over and over again or never really understood. Some pilots actually think their union or another union could simply decide to integrate another airline into their list. It simply does not work that way.
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Originally Posted by ex9driver
(Post 1605474)
We were owned by Northwest at the time. Or did that part slip your mind? I get my info from people that were there, not from Star magazine like you! How about researching facts before you bloviate about something you really have no knowledge about?
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Wow 4 pages of BS and the vote hasn't even closed yet!
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Originally Posted by ex9driver
(Post 1605474)
Never said Lee was running Delta airlines did I smart guy? What I said is Lee could have gone to bat for 400 ALPA brothers but decided it might hurt his Delta brothers a little so he didn't. We were owned by Northwest at the time. Or did that part slip your mind? I get my info from people that were there, not from Star magazine like you! How about researching facts before you bloviate about something you really have no knowledge about?
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Originally Posted by thump
(Post 1604580)
Also no ballot. Many reports of pilots receiving TWO ballots in the mail. One with their name and one with another pilot's.
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Originally Posted by zoooropa
(Post 1606904)
You don't even need a ballot to vote. You can vote online or over the phone. Ballotpoint is an incredibly effective and proven company. The fact that you haven't received a paper ballot is meaningless, you have multiple methods of casting a ballot.
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Originally Posted by Oskeewowow
(Post 1606928)
You need your voting credentials that are mailed however. Numerous people have received other pilot's voting credentials. Ballot point has royally effed this process up. I haven't received anything yet and it has been over a week. I have made phone calls and written emails. With 8 days left, I'm very nervous I won't be able to vote.
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I just received by ballot today and voted - be patient, I guess...
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Originally Posted by Geardownflaps30
(Post 1606951)
Multiple union emails about this as well as a posting on the local 357 website. The contact phone number and/or email address along with instructions to receive replacement credentials via either US mail, email or text are there. Turn around time about two days once your request made.
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Originally Posted by groundspoiler
(Post 1604863)
Does this TA address the YX pilots longevity pay issues? If not, why?
SLI hire date is new longevity for pay and benefits. No back pay! |
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