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ORDinary 03-28-2014 09:52 AM


Originally Posted by Skyvector (Post 1611889)
Obviously, you don't. Like I said: you guys are calling a MAJOR bluff and it is all fun and games right now.

Lets see how you feel when the squeeze begins to really hurt. You may care a little more then.

You're wrong. Believe me, they've made it crystal clear all along what the alternative is. We know that other regionals will take the flying, and that even if they have subsequent staffing problems, it will be awhile before those problems help us. We know all of that. And we said no anyway. Because somewhere this BS has to stop. And while our leverage isn't all-powerful right now, it is stronger than it has ever been. EXJ, EGF, and RAH all saying no right now is a pretty strong statement. Let's take a look at the industry in a year from now, when the first of the 175s we turned down are being delivered to Mesa or Compass or Piedmont or whoever. Let's see what the staffing situation is everywhere after another 1500+ regional pilots are hired at the mainline.

Anyway, obviously it is a chance we're taking, but one made with eyes wide open.

FSUpilot 03-28-2014 09:55 AM


Originally Posted by Shiner (Post 1611913)
In the future, the three successive no votes from XJet, Eagle, and soon to be RAH will be viewed as a turning point in the airline pilot profession. We are taking the leverage we finally know we have a forcing the regional airline model to change. I am very proud to be a part of this movement.

Enjoy the victory, but keep focused. Things may get harder before they get easier for all of us. With unity, we can continue to apply the pressure and make this a career worth having again.

Ever since the NO vote at XJT, things have been miserable. Management has said nothing, but it seems they are going out of their way to make life crappy. They are finding every gray area in the contract and exploiting it, also downright ignoring the contract too. Cancelling vacations etc as well. They make sure the operation is a complete mess as well. It HAS to be on purpose as things are just blatantly ignored and stuff does not get fixed... even after three years of trying. Morale is horrible, but it will be well worth the pain in the end.

Nantonaku 03-28-2014 09:58 AM


Originally Posted by Skyvector (Post 1611908)
Ever since AA declared bankruptcy in November 2011 Eagle has been ignored and kept in the dark about it's future.

While that sucks and creates an air of uncertainty among the ranks, it is no where near a "squeeze".

Status Quo is what Eagle has been experiencing for the past 3 years which is hardly any kind of hurt. It makes you apprehensive, sure. But doesn't hurt.

I hope this gamble pays off. I really do. I just think you guys aren't seeing the reality of the situation.

This is ridiculous. You are blowing your cover with these kind of statements, do you work in this industry? Please name one regional who has not been kept in the dark the last 4 years. All but a select few have been in "status quo" mode the last three years. It will stay like this as all regionals shrink and then eventually blow up. The vast majority of pilots in this industry only have to use empirical evidence to see that the whipsaw game is over, management lost. Are you sure you work in this industry as a pilot?

hockeypilot44 03-28-2014 10:00 AM


Originally Posted by Skyvector (Post 1611908)
Ever since AA declared bankruptcy in November 2011 Eagle has been ignored and kept in the dark about it's future.

While that sucks and creates an air of uncertainty among the ranks, it is no where near a "squeeze".

Status Quo is what Eagle has been experiencing for the past 3 years which is hardly any kind of hurt. It makes you apprehensive, sure. But doesn't hurt.

I hope this gamble pays off. I really do. I just think you guys aren't seeing the reality of the situation.

I think they are. They just are not willing to do the job for any less than they are already getting paid. It's called pride and self worth.

Skyvector 03-28-2014 10:00 AM

I'm hoping for the best. As a MIA Captain who upgraded two years ago I probably won't get displaced back to FO unless the crap really hits the fan. I worry more about absolute stagnation and others who probably will get displaced.

Either way, I hope this gamble pays off. It's not as simple as some of you make it out to be. There are a number of factors which have to come together for this to go even slightly our way. In the end, AA may come back with the same offer or a slightly worse one...at which point we vote it in anyway because of how horrible things have become.

At which point all of this will have been for naught. But again, I am hoping for the best right now. I have just as much to lose and gain as every other Eagle pilot at this point.

crflyer 03-28-2014 10:01 AM

XJT MEC Alert
28 March 2014

ExpressJet Pilots Stand Proudly with the Pilots of American Eagle

Today the pilots of American Eagle voted against a concessionary contract by an overwhelming margin of 70%. The ExpressJet MEC would like to convey its support for their decision to join other pilot groups at Fee For Departure airlines who have resisted the downward pressure on pay, benefits, and work rules. All pilots must stand together during this challenging time. Your MEC will continue to support the American Eagle pilots. Only through unified action can we change the industry. Today is a continuation of our ongoing support for our brothers and sisters at American Eagle.

CaptainNameless 03-28-2014 10:02 AM

Good work Eagle guys and gals!

The pilots of XJT and Eagle, and soon hopefully RAH, have stated that we will not fund the fleet transitions that are going to happen with or without poor concessionary contracts.

No more Pilot Subsidized Airlines.

flyguy94 03-28-2014 10:02 AM

XJT MEC Alert

28 March 2014



ExpressJet Pilots Stand Proudly with the Pilots of American Eagle



Today the pilots of American Eagle voted against a concessionary contract by an overwhelming margin of 70%. The ExpressJet MEC would like to convey its support for their decision to join other pilot groups at Fee For Departure airlines who have resisted the downward pressure on pay, benefits, and work rules. All pilots must stand together during this challenging time. Your MEC will continue to support the American Eagle pilots. Only through unified action can we change the industry. Today is a continuation of our ongoing support for our brothers and sisters at American Eagle.

Doug Heffernan 03-28-2014 10:09 AM

Skyvector is one of two things. 1) a management tool or 2) a PSA'er who's butt hurt that he's part of a pilot group that is weak and spineless. Pay him no mind.

Great job Eagle pilots! You had me worried there for a while, but I'm proud of you!!

Skyvector 03-28-2014 10:12 AM


Originally Posted by Doug Heffernan (Post 1611948)
Skyvector is one of two things. 1) a management tool or 2) a PSA'er who's butt hurt that he's part of a pilot group that is weak and spineless. Pay him no mind.

Great job Eagle pilots! You had me worried there for a while, but I'm proud of you!!

I'm a Captain at Eagle. I would say I have much more at stake than you who is just shouting from the bleachers.

As such I'm entitled to my opinion just as much as every other Eagle pilot. If that makes you butt hurt it is not my problem.


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