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Originally Posted by Emb170man
(Post 1616640)
Proud of my coworkers. Almost 90% participation (what the hell is wrong with the other 10%?)...
85.4% NO |
Originally Posted by captain152
(Post 1616680)
"Their"= ownership "There"= a place/position ... "they're"= they are... If you're going to be a tool at least learn grammar. TOTD :rolleyes:
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Originally Posted by XJT Pilot
(Post 1616668)
Don't care! There a threat to my job and I'm not gonna help that company one iota.
Great job RAH! |
Originally Posted by XJT Pilot
(Post 1616650)
This just empowers me more to leave behind PSA and Endeavor guys when they ask for the JS...right now, I need one more guy and I'll be an Ace...yes!
Mainline or regional, I get a ride on your jumpseat, you get a ride on mine. I highly recommend you re-evaluate your position on using the jumpseat as a weapon. |
XJT Pilot probably a mouthy first officer with zero control over jumpseat. Keep in keeping on buddy you are real cool.
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Originally Posted by XJT Pilot
(Post 1616650)
This just empowers me more to leave behind... Endeavor guys when they ask for the JS...right now, I need one more guy and I'll be an Ace...yes!
What would be great is stickers you could put on your flight case as kills. Someone make them I'll buy in. |
Thank Christ!
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Originally Posted by Salukipilot4590
(Post 1616798)
Thank Christ!
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endeavor received nothing in the way of leadership from A-L-P-A - in fact moak spread their cheeks for DAL to do them.
PSA on the other hand...was looking for it |
Originally Posted by XJT Pilot
(Post 1616772)
Yeah, yeah got it! Thanks for the grammar lesson. Now go back to being a dull, boring person.
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Originally Posted by XJT Pilot
(Post 1616772)
Yeah, yeah got it! Thanks for the English lesson. Now go back to being a dull boring person.
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Originally Posted by CarolinaAngler
(Post 1616810)
Originally Posted by XJT Pilot
(Post 1616772)
Yeah, yeah got it! Thanks for the grammar lesson. Now go back to being a dull boring person.
Fixed it for you, but keep it coming, you're on a roll... Regardless, jumpseat wars are pointless and accomplish very little. Using the non-sterile portion of the flight for a little "education" would be much better served IMHO. |
What were the highlights of RAH's TA...good and bad?
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GREAT JOB RAH pilot group.
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Originally Posted by XJT Pilot
(Post 1616650)
This just empowers me more to leave behind PSA and Endeavor guys when they ask for the JS...right now, I need one more guy and I'll be an Ace...yes!
What would be great is stickers you could put on your flight case as kills. Someone make them I'll buy in. And, PSA wasn't a 100% yes vote was it? What about the guys who voted no, then get denied the jumpseat too? How about, "I contributed to a fellow pilots divorce because I denied him a free ride home to see his wife," for a flight case sticker tough guy? You could put it right next to the Boeing 777 that you don't fly, sticker. |
Originally Posted by benairguitar23
(Post 1616670)
Quote:
Originally Posted by HVYMETALDRVR I'm glad we voted it down (for us). But unfortunately now we'll be whipsawed against AE realllly bad... How may I ask? We both voted No. |
Originally Posted by ERJF15
(Post 1616883)
What were the highlights of RAH's TA...good and bad?
The "good": FO pay raises Year 1: $26 Year 2: $36 Tops out @ Year 9: $47 Has incremental increases each year up to 4 years after Date of Signing (Most of these are still less than our current rates adjusted for inflation, i.e. concession)Two Schedule Adjustment Periods 2 weeks prior to final awards, each 1 week long respectively Vacation Slide3 days in either direction. Can not slide if doing so covers a holiday More realistic virtual credit (for bidding purposes) for leave, training, and vacation--For those of us that are military, the virtual credit for mil leave can actually hurt our schedules. We are already looking into a possible USERRA violation under the current contract, and this new TA could still be a violation if one needs more than 2 days of leave (more than a drill weekend)-- Long-Call ReserveAlbeit nothing to force the company to actually use LCR. But according to the ALD negotiating comm., it's beneficial to the company because of the new FAR 117 rules. Of course this company has a repeated history of stepping over a dollar to save a dime. Trip and duty rigsThe actual rigs suck. But the fact that they agreed to them is a start. Ability to bid down to 75 hoursCan't bid lower than that however No more crew sked intervention with flica for trades, swaps, and drops.That's about it for the good. Now prepare yourself for the bad.... The BAD: A LOT of extremely gray language still exists in the definition section and other parts of the TA. CA Pay Small increase, but again, less than most of the current rates adjusted for inflation. Some CA's with higher longevity will actually be taking a pay cut depending on the aircraft they fly (E175 69-76 seats vs. E175 80 seats) Signing bonus is a jokeNo language that outlines the percentage/number of LCR, SCR, or airport reserve pilots each month. Again, the ALD neg. comm. claims that the 117 rules will cause the company to use LCR more than SCR, more airport reserve. But yeah, I'll believe it when I see it. No leg-by-leg cancellation payCancellation pay is line guarantee based Premium pay when scheduled or actual flight time, and deadhead time, exceeds 87 hours.Will NOT apply if picking up open time unless it puts a pilot over 87 hours. Basically, good luck picking up flying over 87 hours because the company would much rather just let a reserve do it and save the money. Also, with the new 117 rules, 87 hours is going to be tough to do. Contactable while on dutyA major concession over the current contract. Currently, not required to be contactable by crew sked while working. New TA would require a pilot to select a method of contact. Basically, you are now a reserve. Even though you've been awarded a line, crew sked can reassign you at anytime to do something else. CA's able to bid down to FO for monthly scheduleCA's can bid FO lines if the total number of CA's is 25% greater than FO's in a particular base. The CA's will still be paid their CA rate and will still hold their relative seniority for bidding (i.e. the most senior "FO"). Requirement to "stay with the aircraft" if stuck due to mx.Basically, a pilot is required to stay in the same location (at the hotel, airport, etc.) and be in position to fly the aircraft once it's fixed. This applies even if it happens into your day off. Min day only applies to day trips5 hours min day for day trips. No min day for 2-5 day trips. Trip and duty rigs1:2.5 duty rig, 1:4.2 trip rig. Seat lock language for CA's and FO's swapping a/c and/or certificates.Uses stupid "training equivalent" numbers to determine length of seat lock. If an FO has seat lock time remaining in current position and is awarded CA, then the remaining seat lock tie is added to the new seat lock time for the upgrade. Co-basingAllows for co-basing (i.e. JFK, LGA, EWR) where, prior to implementation, the company and E-Board will agree to applicable terms for pairing construction, scheduling and logistics. Note-- It does NOT require the pilot group to vote on acceptable terms (only the union E-Board). Only covers 4 articles of the CBA (plus definitions), not all articles.So the TA doesn't address benefits or healthcare costs, plus multiple other sections. Also, LOA's were agreed upon for the Co-basing, Signing bonuses, hybrid basing, Q400 pay rates, and a few others, to allow for changes outside of the 4 articles. Many pilots, me included, don't understand why we can have a LOA for co-basing but not for healthcare cost or 401k contributions. Basically anything from any of the other articles. Also, if the company can agree to these LOA's, why not just open up all articles! Anyway, this is just a outline and doesn't include everything. This is also my own personal interpretation of the TA language and I might've been incorrect in my assumptions so please take that into account. Cheers! |
Originally Posted by WalkOfShame
(Post 1617979)
Just a rough outline, and doesn't include everything, but here you go:
The "good": FO pay raises Year 1: $26 Year 2: $36 Tops out @ Year 9: $47 Has incremental increases each year up to 4 years after Date of Signing (Most of these are still less than our current rates adjusted for inflation, i.e. concession)Two Schedule Adjustment Periods 2 weeks prior to final awards, each 1 week long respectively Vacation Slide3 days in either direction. Can not slide if doing so covers a holiday More realistic virtual credit (for bidding purposes) for leave, training, and vacation--For those of us that are military, the virtual credit for mil leave can actually hurt our schedules. We are already looking into a possible USERRA violation under the current contract, and this new TA could still be a violation if one needs more than 2 days of leave (more than a drill weekend)-- Long-Call ReserveAlbeit nothing to force the company to actually use LCR. But according to the ALD negotiating comm., it's beneficial to the company because of the new FAR 117 rules. Of course this company has a repeated history of stepping over a dollar to save a dime. Trip and duty rigsThe actual rigs suck. But the fact that they agreed to them is a start. Ability to bid down to 75 hoursCan't bid lower than that however No more crew sked intervention with flica for trades, swaps, and drops.That's about it for the good. Now prepare yourself for the bad.... The BAD: A LOT of extremely gray language still exists in the definition section and other parts of the TA. CA Pay Small increase, but again, less than most of the current rates adjusted for inflation. Some CA's with higher longevity will actually be taking a pay cut depending on the aircraft they fly (E175 69-76 seats vs. E175 80 seats) Signing bonus is a jokeNo language that outlines the percentage/number of LCR, SCR, or airport reserve pilots each month. Again, the ALD neg. comm. claims that the 117 rules will cause the company to use LCR more than SCR, more airport reserve. But yeah, I'll believe it when I see it. No leg-by-leg cancellation payCancellation pay is line guarantee based Premium pay when scheduled or actual flight time, and deadhead time, exceeds 87 hours.Will NOT apply if picking up open time unless it puts a pilot over 87 hours. Basically, good luck picking up flying over 87 hours because the company would much rather just let a reserve do it and save the money. Also, with the new 117 rules, 87 hours is going to be tough to do. Contactable while on dutyA major concession over the current contract. Currently, not required to be contactable by crew sked while working. New TA would require a pilot to select a method of contact. Basically, you are now a reserve. Even though you've been awarded a line, crew sked can reassign you at anytime to do something else. CA's able to bid down to FO for monthly scheduleCA's can bid FO lines if the total number of CA's is 25% greater than FO's in a particular base. The CA's will still be paid their CA rate and will still hold their relative seniority for bidding (i.e. the most senior "FO"). Requirement to "stay with the aircraft" if stuck due to mx.Basically, a pilot is required to stay in the same location (at the hotel, airport, etc.) and be in position to fly the aircraft once it's fixed. This applies even if it happens into your day off. Min day only applies to day trips5 hours min day for day trips. No min day for 2-5 day trips. Trip and duty rigs1:2.5 duty rig, 1:4.2 trip rig. Seat lock language for CA's and FO's swapping a/c and/or certificates.Uses stupid "training equivalent" numbers to determine length of seat lock. If an FO has seat lock time remaining in current position and is awarded CA, then the remaining seat lock tie is added to the new seat lock time for the upgrade. Co-basingAllows for co-basing (i.e. JFK, LGA, EWR) where, prior to implementation, the company and E-Board will agree to applicable terms for pairing construction, scheduling and logistics. Note-- It does NOT require the pilot group to vote on acceptable terms (only the union E-Board). Only covers 4 articles of the CBA (plus definitions), not all articles.So the TA doesn't address benefits or healthcare costs, plus multiple other sections. Also, LOA's were agreed upon for the Co-basing, Signing bonuses, hybrid basing, Q400 pay rates, and a few others, to allow for changes outside of the 4 articles. Many pilots, me included, don't understand why we can have a LOA for co-basing but not for healthcare cost or 401k contributions. Basically anything from any of the other articles. Also, if the company can agree to these LOA's, why not just open up all articles!Anyway, this is just a outline and doesn't include everything. This is also my own personal interpretation of the TA language and I might've been incorrect in my assumptions so please take that into account. Cheers! |
Originally Posted by JetDoc
(Post 1618007)
You forgot airport hot reserve and be packed and ready to go for 6 days....
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Originally Posted by JetDoc
(Post 1618007)
You forgot airport hot reserve and be packed and ready to go for 6 days....
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I'd vote that bullsh!t down too.
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Originally Posted by Bzzt
(Post 1618072)
Are you referring to reserve pilots being packed and ready for 6 days or all pilots? Were they planning on unlimited junior mans?
But we really do. It's called "reassignment"! Enjoy. |
Originally Posted by WalkOfShame
(Post 1617979)
Just a rough outline, and doesn't include everything, but here you go:
The "good": FO pay raises Year 1: $26 Year 2: $36 Tops out @ Year 9: $47 Has incremental increases each year up to 4 years after Date of Signing (Most of these are still less than our current rates adjusted for inflation, i.e. concession)Two Schedule Adjustment Periods 2 weeks prior to final awards, each 1 week long respectively Vacation Slide3 days in either direction. Can not slide if doing so covers a holiday More realistic virtual credit (for bidding purposes) for leave, training, and vacation--For those of us that are military, the virtual credit for mil leave can actually hurt our schedules. We are already looking into a possible USERRA violation under the current contract, and this new TA could still be a violation if one needs more than 2 days of leave (more than a drill weekend)-- Long-Call ReserveAlbeit nothing to force the company to actually use LCR. But according to the ALD negotiating comm., it's beneficial to the company because of the new FAR 117 rules. Of course this company has a repeated history of stepping over a dollar to save a dime. Trip and duty rigsThe actual rigs suck. But the fact that they agreed to them is a start. Ability to bid down to 75 hoursCan't bid lower than that however No more crew sked intervention with flica for trades, swaps, and drops.That's about it for the good. Now prepare yourself for the bad.... The BAD: A LOT of extremely gray language still exists in the definition section and other parts of the TA. CA Pay Small increase, but again, less than most of the current rates adjusted for inflation. Some CA's with higher longevity will actually be taking a pay cut depending on the aircraft they fly (E175 69-76 seats vs. E175 80 seats) Signing bonus is a jokeNo language that outlines the percentage/number of LCR, SCR, or airport reserve pilots each month. Again, the ALD neg. comm. claims that the 117 rules will cause the company to use LCR more than SCR, more airport reserve. But yeah, I'll believe it when I see it. No leg-by-leg cancellation payCancellation pay is line guarantee based Premium pay when scheduled or actual flight time, and deadhead time, exceeds 87 hours.Will NOT apply if picking up open time unless it puts a pilot over 87 hours. Basically, good luck picking up flying over 87 hours because the company would much rather just let a reserve do it and save the money. Also, with the new 117 rules, 87 hours is going to be tough to do. Contactable while on dutyA major concession over the current contract. Currently, not required to be contactable by crew sked while working. New TA would require a pilot to select a method of contact. Basically, you are now a reserve. Even though you've been awarded a line, crew sked can reassign you at anytime to do something else. CA's able to bid down to FO for monthly scheduleCA's can bid FO lines if the total number of CA's is 25% greater than FO's in a particular base. The CA's will still be paid their CA rate and will still hold their relative seniority for bidding (i.e. the most senior "FO"). Requirement to "stay with the aircraft" if stuck due to mx.Basically, a pilot is required to stay in the same location (at the hotel, airport, etc.) and be in position to fly the aircraft once it's fixed. This applies even if it happens into your day off. Min day only applies to day trips5 hours min day for day trips. No min day for 2-5 day trips. Trip and duty rigs1:2.5 duty rig, 1:4.2 trip rig. Seat lock language for CA's and FO's swapping a/c and/or certificates.Uses stupid "training equivalent" numbers to determine length of seat lock. If an FO has seat lock time remaining in current position and is awarded CA, then the remaining seat lock tie is added to the new seat lock time for the upgrade. Co-basingAllows for co-basing (i.e. JFK, LGA, EWR) where, prior to implementation, the company and E-Board will agree to applicable terms for pairing construction, scheduling and logistics. Note-- It does NOT require the pilot group to vote on acceptable terms (only the union E-Board). Only covers 4 articles of the CBA (plus definitions), not all articles.So the TA doesn't address benefits or healthcare costs, plus multiple other sections. Also, LOA's were agreed upon for the Co-basing, Signing bonuses, hybrid basing, Q400 pay rates, and a few others, to allow for changes outside of the 4 articles. Many pilots, me included, don't understand why we can have a LOA for co-basing but not for healthcare cost or 401k contributions. Basically anything from any of the other articles. Also, if the company can agree to these LOA's, why not just open up all articles! Anyway, this is just a outline and doesn't include everything. This is also my own personal interpretation of the TA language and I might've been incorrect in my assumptions so please take that into account. Cheers! |
Originally Posted by FLYZERG
(Post 1618141)
The real question is how was it possible to get 15% to vote yes.
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The real question is how was it possible to get 15% to vote yes.
Their finger slipped. |
Originally Posted by hockeypilot44
(Post 1618155)
Easy. Something's better than nothing. $6000 signing bonus and a slight increase in pay. Time value of money. I'm glad you voted it down, but what happens now? 2 more years under current contract? It would have increases a lot of your pilots's paychecks. I'm surprised only 15 percent voted yes. I though pilots were more conservative than that as a whole.
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Originally Posted by ClarenceOver
(Post 1618156)
The real question is how was it possible to get 15% to vote yes.
Their finger slipped. |
Originally Posted by FLYZERG
(Post 1618141)
The real question is how was it possible to get 15% to vote yes.
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Originally Posted by Flyhayes
(Post 1618183)
Originally Posted by ClarenceOver
(Post 1618156)
The real question is how was it possible to get 15% to vote yes.
Their finger slipped. |
Actually he has a striking resemblance to Dilbert, so I'm not sure that's possible.... I'm sure he changed his vote, it's been a while since I last spoke to him. He might not be the brightest crayola in the box, but I'd like to think he's smarter than that.
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Originally Posted by Geardownflaps30
(Post 1618128)
We proudly don't have "junior manning". They will brag about it at your interview.
But we really do. It's called "reassignment"! Enjoy. They call me a lot for OT on my days off, I usually say no if I even pick up. But they can't force me... Per our CBA they can't make you work into a day off at all. The worst they can do is REA you is 2 hour later than your originally scheduled finish time on the last day of your trip. On the middle days of a trip, they can REA to they're hearts content up to the Pt 117 limits. Remember though, you can always call fatigued, I hope this clears things up a bit. There are plenty of issue working here, thank God this isn't one of them. |
Originally Posted by Bzzt
(Post 1618072)
Are you referring to reserve pilots being packed and ready for 6 days or all pilots? Were they planning on unlimited junior mans?
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Originally Posted by HVYMETALDRVR
(Post 1618565)
Originally Posted by Geardownflaps30
(Post 1618128)
We proudly don't have "junior manning". They will brag about it at your interview.
But we really do. It's called "reassignment"! Enjoy. They call me a lot for OT on my days off, I usually say no if I even pick up. But they can't force me... Per our CBA they can't make you work into a day off at all. The worst they can do is REA you is 2 hour later than your originally scheduled finish time on the last day of your trip. On the middle days of a trip, they can REA to they're hearts content up to the Pt 117 limits. Remember though, you can always call fatigued, I hope this clears things up a bit. There are plenty of issue working here, thank God this isn't one of them. |
Originally Posted by HVYMETALDRVR
(Post 1618565)
Not defending this company for what they do, but a REA here isn't really a jr man. Jr manning is making you work on your days off. Different carriers do this diff ways, a lot of times its basically if your dumb enough to pick up the phone on your day off your fair game.
They call me a lot for OT on my days off, I usually say no if I even pick up. But they can't force me... Per our CBA they can't make you work into a day off at all. The worst they can do is REA you is 2 hour later than your originally scheduled finish time on the last day of your trip. On the middle days of a trip, they can REA to they're hearts content up to the Pt 117 limits. Remember though, you can always call fatigued, I hope this clears things up a bit. There are plenty of issue working here, thank God this isn't one of them. I think this belief is from not having to had worked at other carriers under different contracts. Additionally other carriers do not have unlimited reassignment ability, ESPECIALLY without ANY premium pay being involved. But some love trying to put lipstick on a greasy pig!! |
Originally Posted by Geardownflaps30
(Post 1618683)
Originally Posted by HVYMETALDRVR
(Post 1618565)
Not defending this company for what they do, but a REA here isn't really a jr man. Jr manning is making you work on your days off. Different carriers do this diff ways, a lot of times its basically if your dumb enough to pick up the phone on your day off your fair game.
They call me a lot for OT on my days off, I usually say no if I even pick up. But they can't force me... Per our CBA they can't make you work into a day off at all. The worst they can do is REA you is 2 hour later than your originally scheduled finish time on the last day of your trip. On the middle days of a trip, they can REA to they're hearts content up to the Pt 117 limits. Remember though, you can always call fatigued, I hope this clears things up a bit. There are plenty of issue working here, thank God this isn't one of them. I think this belief is from not having to had worked at other carriers under different contracts. Additionally other carriers do not have unlimited reassignment ability, ESPECIALLY without ANY premium pay being involved. But some love trying to put lipstick on a greasy pig!! |
Originally Posted by magnus0322
(Post 1618690)
He's just an IND yes voter
This. Haha. |
Originally Posted by magnus0322
(Post 1618676)
Lol. Seriously dude? ***. You must not have had the pleasure yet of being stuck somewhere yet. Someday in the very near future, and mark my words, you will be "junior manned". Our contract says you cannot leave the plane at the outstation. One day you'll be fortunate enough to get cancelled on your last leg back to base. You will get the enjoyment of not only losing the pay for that lost leg, but now working on your day off to fly it back to the "hub". And as an even topped out FO you will receive $144 and change for it. Enjoy.
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Originally Posted by sizzlechest
(Post 1618863)
Originally Posted by magnus0322
(Post 1618676)
Lol. Seriously dude? ***. You must not have had the pleasure yet of being stuck somewhere yet. Someday in the very near future, and mark my words, you will be "junior manned". Our contract says you cannot leave the plane at the outstation. One day you'll be fortunate enough to get cancelled on your last leg back to base. You will get the enjoyment of not only losing the pay for that lost leg, but now working on your day off to fly it back to the "hub". And as an even topped out FO you will receive $144 and change for it. Enjoy.
God Bless. |
Then you got screwed... others have been paid for that very situation.
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Originally Posted by magnus0322
(Post 1618907)
God Bless. Did someone sneeze? :rolleyes: |
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