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HVYMETALDRVR 04-07-2014 07:14 AM


Originally Posted by Geardownflaps30 (Post 1618128)
We proudly don't have "junior manning". They will brag about it at your interview.

But we really do. It's called "reassignment"! Enjoy.

Not defending this company for what they do, but a REA here isn't really a jr man. Jr manning is making you work on your days off. Different carriers do this diff ways, a lot of times its basically if your dumb enough to pick up the phone on your day off your fair game.

They call me a lot for OT on my days off, I usually say no if I even pick up. But they can't force me...

Per our CBA they can't make you work into a day off at all. The worst they can do is REA you is 2 hour later than your originally scheduled finish time on the last day of your trip. On the middle days of a trip, they can REA to they're hearts content up to the Pt 117 limits.

Remember though, you can always call fatigued, I hope this clears things up a bit.

There are plenty of issue working here, thank God this isn't one of them.

JetDoc 04-07-2014 09:24 AM


Originally Posted by Bzzt (Post 1618072)
Are you referring to reserve pilots being packed and ready for 6 days or all pilots? Were they planning on unlimited junior mans?

Sorry I wasn't more clear, if you are on reserve at the airport they wanted you to be packed for up to six days on the road...

magnus0322 04-07-2014 10:13 AM


Originally Posted by HVYMETALDRVR (Post 1618565)

Originally Posted by Geardownflaps30 (Post 1618128)
We proudly don't have "junior manning". They will brag about it at your interview.

But we really do. It's called "reassignment"! Enjoy.

Not defending this company for what they do, but a REA here isn't really a jr man. Jr manning is making you work on your days off. Different carriers do this diff ways, a lot of times its basically if your dumb enough to pick up the phone on your day off your fair game.

They call me a lot for OT on my days off, I usually say no if I even pick up. But they can't force me...

Per our CBA they can't make you work into a day off at all. The worst they can do is REA you is 2 hour later than your originally scheduled finish time on the last day of your trip. On the middle days of a trip, they can REA to they're hearts content up to the Pt 117 limits.

Remember though, you can always call fatigued, I hope this clears things up a bit.

There are plenty of issue working here, thank God this isn't one of them.

Lol. Seriously dude? ***. You must not have had the pleasure yet of being stuck somewhere yet. Someday in the very near future, and mark my words, you will be "junior manned". Our contract says you cannot leave the plane at the outstation. One day you'll be fortunate enough to get cancelled on your last leg back to base. You will get the enjoyment of not only losing the pay for that lost leg, but now working on your day off to fly it back to the "hub". And as an even topped out FO you will receive $144 and change for it. Enjoy.

Geardownflaps30 04-07-2014 10:29 AM


Originally Posted by HVYMETALDRVR (Post 1618565)
Not defending this company for what they do, but a REA here isn't really a jr man. Jr manning is making you work on your days off. Different carriers do this diff ways, a lot of times its basically if your dumb enough to pick up the phone on your day off your fair game.

They call me a lot for OT on my days off, I usually say no if I even pick up. But they can't force me...

Per our CBA they can't make you work into a day off at all. The worst they can do is REA you is 2 hour later than your originally scheduled finish time on the last day of your trip. On the middle days of a trip, they can REA to they're hearts content up to the Pt 117 limits.

Remember though, you can always call fatigued, I hope this clears things up a bit.

There are plenty of issue working here, thank God this isn't one of them.

You couldn't be more wrong but that is a common misbelief here. Junior manning at other carriers isn't just being required to work on your day(s) off.

I think this belief is from not having to had worked at other carriers under different contracts.

Additionally other carriers do not have unlimited reassignment ability, ESPECIALLY without ANY premium pay being involved.

But some love trying to put lipstick on a greasy pig!!

magnus0322 04-07-2014 10:46 AM


Originally Posted by Geardownflaps30 (Post 1618683)

Originally Posted by HVYMETALDRVR (Post 1618565)
Not defending this company for what they do, but a REA here isn't really a jr man. Jr manning is making you work on your days off. Different carriers do this diff ways, a lot of times its basically if your dumb enough to pick up the phone on your day off your fair game.

They call me a lot for OT on my days off, I usually say no if I even pick up. But they can't force me...

Per our CBA they can't make you work into a day off at all. The worst they can do is REA you is 2 hour later than your originally scheduled finish time on the last day of your trip. On the middle days of a trip, they can REA to they're hearts content up to the Pt 117 limits.

Remember though, you can always call fatigued, I hope this clears things up a bit.

There are plenty of issue working here, thank God this isn't one of them.

You couldn't be more wrong but that is a common misbelief here. Junior manning at other carriers isn't just being required to work on your day(s) off.

I think this belief is from not having to had worked at other carriers under different contracts.

Additionally other carriers do not have unlimited reassignment ability, ESPECIALLY without ANY premium pay being involved.

But some love trying to put lipstick on a greasy pig!!

He's just an IND yes voter

Geardownflaps30 04-07-2014 01:25 PM


Originally Posted by magnus0322 (Post 1618690)
He's just an IND yes voter

^^^^^^
This. Haha.

sizzlechest 04-07-2014 04:11 PM


Originally Posted by magnus0322 (Post 1618676)
Lol. Seriously dude? ***. You must not have had the pleasure yet of being stuck somewhere yet. Someday in the very near future, and mark my words, you will be "junior manned". Our contract says you cannot leave the plane at the outstation. One day you'll be fortunate enough to get cancelled on your last leg back to base. You will get the enjoyment of not only losing the pay for that lost leg, but now working on your day off to fly it back to the "hub". And as an even topped out FO you will receive $144 and change for it. Enjoy.

actually, you would be paid for the leg you lost as you are being reassigned to perform different flying by having to stay with the plane another day and fly it out. Same protection applies if you DH out. If the leg you do is the same as you lost, it's a moot point... this is what base stewards help with.

magnus0322 04-07-2014 05:16 PM


Originally Posted by sizzlechest (Post 1618863)

Originally Posted by magnus0322 (Post 1618676)
Lol. Seriously dude? ***. You must not have had the pleasure yet of being stuck somewhere yet. Someday in the very near future, and mark my words, you will be "junior manned". Our contract says you cannot leave the plane at the outstation. One day you'll be fortunate enough to get cancelled on your last leg back to base. You will get the enjoyment of not only losing the pay for that lost leg, but now working on your day off to fly it back to the "hub". And as an even topped out FO you will receive $144 and change for it. Enjoy.

actually, you would be paid for the leg you lost as you are being reassigned to perform different flying by having to stay with the plane another day and fly it out. Same protection applies if you DH out. If the leg you do is the same as you lost, it's a moot point... this is what base stewards help with.

You are only pay protected from reassignment period to reassignment period. Since no additional flying was performed that night your reassignment would begin on your day off therefore you are not entitled to pay protection. However, you will receive 4 hrs for working on your day off.

God Bless.

sizzlechest 04-13-2014 04:54 PM

Then you got screwed... others have been paid for that very situation.

DakBroadbent 04-13-2014 06:07 PM


Originally Posted by magnus0322 (Post 1618907)

God Bless.


Did someone sneeze? :rolleyes:


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