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Originally Posted by supercub70
(Post 1632546)
One thing that I have noticed with any/all of these threads -- they all turn into a "b&%^h" session!
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Originally Posted by gold
(Post 1632520)
If someone is genuinely interested in PSA and how the contracts works, they can PM and I would be more than happy to help. There's no point in getting into the specifics when folks like yourself have to ******* all over the place when PSA is mentioned.
If you're going to make statements like that back it up with facts. If you can't back it up with facts then don't post them. No new hire cares about how much money YOU make per year your how great YOUR schedule is. They care about what steps you took in order to make that amount of money or adjust your schedule so they can learn how to do it themselves. If you can't provide information about how you do these things then you're either a management tool or just flat out lying to potential new hires. I personally would be glad to help out new hires with bidding strategies or information on what does and does not work with PBS and trip trading. Contrary to popular belief here on APC our contract that was ratified in 2013 was pretty good. Including EXCEPTIONAL scheduling language. Nothing in our contract changed with our most recent concessionary deal other than pay caps and in increase in insurance premium sharing. I don't really know what else you would have him say. |
Originally Posted by Anderson
(Post 1617295)
Then why don't captain upgrades take a hit on their pay rates when they transition to the left seat, in order to cover training costs? First year pay rates are low because the UNION negotiates it that way. They use the savings to make gains elsewhere in the pay scales for more senior pilots.
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Originally Posted by pagey
(Post 1632566)
He did back it up with facts and you continue to dog him.
Contrary to popular belief here on APC our contract that was ratified in 2013 was pretty good. Including EXCEPTIONAL scheduling language. Nothing in our contract changed with our most recent concessionary deal other than pay caps and in increase in insurance premium sharing. I don't really know what else you would have him say. I wasn't here before the increase in insurance cost but the health insurance is pretty good at PSA in my opinion, low premiums, low deductible and good coverage. My girlfriend works in the insurance industry and she agrees. |
Originally Posted by rcfd13
(Post 1632552)
My comments have nothing to do with PSA and everything to do with the fact that recruiters keep posting BS on this message board to attract new hires. If you had been at Skywest, Expressjet, Envoy or any other regional and said "I can adjust my schedule to make it perfect because of our contract!" or "It's possible to make $36k first year with our great contract!" but didn't back up your statements with facts I would have called you out just the same.
If you're going to make statements like that back it up with facts. If you can't back it up with facts then don't post them. No new hire cares about how much money YOU make per year your how great YOUR schedule is. They care about what steps you took in order to make that amount of money or adjust your schedule so they can learn how to do it themselves. If you can't provide information about how you do these things then you're either a management tool or just flat out lying to potential new hires. I personally would be glad to help out new hires with bidding strategies or information on what does and does not work with PBS and trip trading. |
Originally Posted by Systemized
(Post 1632596)
I know gold and everything he has said so far is correct. He is also not management. Give him a break, the guy is just trying to help.
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Originally Posted by rcfd13
(Post 1632607)
How is he helping? He's said nothing other than "I make lots of money and my schedule is great!" That isn't helping. It's boasting.
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Originally Posted by AlaskaBound
(Post 1632669)
The bigger problem here is that Gold, and apparently others at PSA who voted in the piece of crap concessionary contract thinks $36,000 is a lot of money. THAT is the problem.
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Originally Posted by AlaskaBound
(Post 1632669)
The bigger problem here is that Gold, and apparently others at PSA who voted in the piece of crap concessionary contract thinks $36,000 is a lot of money. THAT is the problem.
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I don't understand how Psa contract allows guys to make a lot of money by not working a lot? Is that just going to be something that the leadership will be able to prevent in the future? Also things are good at psa now that you all are hiring like crazy and growing how great will the contract be when the company is properly staffed and the movement of pilots has slowed down? I ask the questions because I was at an airline when I could pick up reserve and make 6 hours of pay, when I could pick up trips at 200 percent. I made a lot of money until it all came crashing down. Please don't think I am hating on psa pilots at all but it is hard to hear guy talking about how great it is there when it APEARS they voted in a concessionary contract. Pilots are selfish by nature and behavior but we try to hide that by all of our talk as being united but when people vote in contracts that only benefit themselves it is hard to swallow.
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Originally Posted by Systemized
(Post 1632699)
No one ever said 36K was a lot of money, it's not. Gold was just pointing out he's on track to gross that amount his first year. I read through his comments and he was not trying boast or state his opinion for that matter. I have a friend that went to skywest, during training he received 60 hours a month at $22/hr with no per diem and shared a hotel room. After training he spent the next 10 months on reserve not breaking guarantee and not flying a lot so not much per diem. He showed me what he made for that first twelve months, including perdiem it was 24K. If anything, what gold posted is more a comparison to other regionals first year pay.
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Originally Posted by Systemized
(Post 1632699)
No one ever said 36K was a lot of money, it's not. Gold was just pointing out he's on track to gross that amount his first year. I read through his comments and he was not trying boast or state his opinion for that matter. I have a friend that went to skywest, during training he received 60 hours a month at $22/hr with no per diem and shared a hotel room. After training he spent the next 10 months on reserve not breaking guarantee and not flying a lot so not much per diem. He showed me what he made for that first twelve months, including perdiem it was 24K. If anything, what gold posted is more a comparison to other regionals first year pay.
You have absolutely no idea what is in our contract and are making statements based on what people tell you on this website. You also said in the same paragraph that you can't look at just a single year as far as pay rates go but then go and say Skywest is the tits because their 2nd year pay is better than EVERYONE ELSES....which it isn't. Your argument loses water every time you post. Perhaps you should just stop. Come back when YOU can back up YOUR OWN statements with facts. |
Originally Posted by rcfd13
(Post 1632729)
All of what you just said is true, but would you say PSA is better than Skywest based on that? People need to get over just looking at first year pay. First year pay at the regionals is 1 year of your potential 30+ year career and the way things are going 10 years at the regionals. Almost every regional pays more than Skywest the first year, but not a single one pays more than even the Skywest turboprop 2nd year.[/B]Looking down the road past 2nd year I bet you can't show me any PSA captain who makes more than a Skywest, Expressjet or even Republic Captain.
Come on man, all you have to do is compare pay rates right here on apc and you'll see that your statement is just silly. Especially 50 seat rates at rah/chq. And yes before you say it, rates aren't everything, that's why we get a lot of soft pay with the sap. |
Originally Posted by Ultralight
(Post 1632491)
Exactly, and as much as this guy is disliked in the industry, you have to give him credit for being honest.
J.O. "being honest"? You wanna buy the Brooklyn bridge??:confused: |
Originally Posted by Coolbeans
(Post 1632725)
I don't understand how Psa contract allows guys to make a lot of money by not working a lot? Is that just going to be something that the leadership will be able to prevent in the future? Also things are good at psa now that you all are hiring like crazy and growing how great will the contract be when the company is properly staffed and the movement of pilots has slowed down? I ask the questions because I was at an airline when I could pick up reserve and make 6 hours of pay, when I could pick up trips at 200 percent. I made a lot of money until it all came crashing down. Please don't think I am hating on psa pilots at all but it is hard to hear guy talking about how great it is there when it APEARS they voted in a concessionary contract. Pilots are selfish by nature and behavior but we try to hide that by all of our talk as being united but when people vote in contracts that only benefit themselves it is hard to swallow.
It "APPEARS"? There's no question that it was concessionary! |
I'd be very interested to see how you earned 36 K. I'm barely going to pull in 24 at XJET and I have broken 80 hours every month but 1. I think PSA gets payed better during training but I still don't see how it's possible to make 150% more then what I'm making. Kudos though if true, even though 36 k is a garbage number when you consider the amount of work/money it took to get here.
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Originally Posted by Cwils36
(Post 1632853)
I'd be very interested to see how you earned 36 K. I'm barely going to pull in 24 at XJET and I have broken 80 hours every month but 1. I think PSA gets payed better during training but I still don't see how it's possible to make 150% more then what I'm making. Kudos though if true, even though 36 k is a garbage number when you consider the amount of work/money it took to get here.
This probably can't be done on reserve at PSA but 105 hours is no problem for a line holder, even the most junior one in the company. |
Originally Posted by pagey
(Post 1632862)
Well, he said he avgs somewhere near 105 hours a month. 36k makes sense at our first year rate if per diem is counted.
This probably can't be done on reserve at PSA but 105 hours is no problem for a line holder, even the most junior one in the company. |
Originally Posted by Cwils36
(Post 1632868)
Ahh missed the part about being off reserve quickly, that definitely helps the paycheck. What's the current staffing situation over at PSA? I would assume that only a month on reserve isn't the norm.
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Originally Posted by gold
(Post 1632472)
I will end up with about 70ish hours block, 105ish hours credit and 13-14 days off. Those numbers can be higher or lower depending on the adjustments made...
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Originally Posted by Cwils36
(Post 1632853)
I'd be very interested to see how you earned 36 K. I'm barely going to pull in 24 at XJET and I have broken 80 hours every month but 1. I think PSA gets payed better during training but I still don't see how it's possible to make 150% more then what I'm making. Kudos though if true, even though 36 k is a garbage number when you consider the amount of work/money it took to get here.
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You know what's funny about all this. I was talking to a Jazz pilot the other day, they were complaining because first year pay is 55K. Worldwide regional flying first year is roughly the same or better. I have a friend at Arik Air flying a dash8 as an F/O making 85k a year.
you guys bicker about who made 35k or who's regional is the best, who cares?! |
Originally Posted by Moonwolf
(Post 1632960)
You know what's funny about all this. I was talking to a Jazz pilot the other day, they were complaining because first year pay is 55K. Worldwide regional flying first year is roughly the same or better. I have a friend at Arik Air flying a dash8 as an F/O making 85k a year.
you guys bicker about who made 35k or who's regional is the best, who cares?! |
Originally Posted by minimwage4
(Post 1632967)
55k? Did you ask him how much of that goes to taxes in Canadia?
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Originally Posted by gold
(Post 1632472)
I will end up with about 70ish hours block, 105ish hours credit and 13-14 days off. Those numbers can be higher or lower depending on the adjustments made...
Our scheduling language allows us to get premium pay for an entire trip without losing days off. With our SAP people are generally getting 17-19 days off depending on how productive your trips are. |
Originally Posted by minimwage4
(Post 1632967)
55k? Did you ask him how much of that goes to taxes in Canadia?
I thought I remembered hearing once that you could expect 35-40% of your check to be taken. |
Originally Posted by Boomer
(Post 1632950)
A hundred hours with 14 days off? Any way to drop to 50 hours credit and get 28 days off?
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Originally Posted by minimwage4
(Post 1632967)
55k? Did you ask him how much of that goes to taxes in Canadia?
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Originally Posted by minimwage4
(Post 1632967)
55k? Did you ask him how much of that goes to taxes in Canadia?
Originally Posted by pagey
(Post 1633026)
That 15% is probably only for "federal" income taxes. They also probbaly pay close to 10 more % for "state" taxes and they have to pay for healthcare.
I thought I remembered hearing once that you could expect 35-40% of your check to be taken.
Originally Posted by Ultralight
(Post 1633171)
Probably less than what goes to health insurance in this country.
Add in employer-paid health insurance as a tax, your portion of health insurance, your payroll taxes you don't see, and the numbers come out pretty close, and sometimes in favor of the Canadians. |
Originally Posted by Moonwolf
(Post 1632960)
You know what's funny about all this. I was talking to a Jazz pilot the other day, they were complaining because first year pay is 55K. Worldwide regional flying first year is roughly the same or better. I have a friend at Arik Air flying a dash8 as an F/O making 85k a year.
I'm studying for my ATP written right now so that I can apply to a U.S. regional, but I have this nagging thought that goes like this: "Why would you work your ass off and commute for $20,000 a year? What if you are stuck commuting for reserve to a city you don't live in? Are you an idiot?!" I also feel like it might be smart to wait until after July when more regionals are parking airplanes and they get desperate and have to raise first-year pay... Or are they not financially able to raise first year pay? Or would it cut into their bottom line deep enough that it would actually be most cost effective/profitable to park those planes instead of paying first-year guys more? And I do understand the math that makes it so that flying airplanes with 50 or 70 seats instead of 150 seats makes it impossible for a regional to match 737 pay... Can we go fly in Europe or West Africa (Arik Air) with an FAA Commercial certificate? I'm ready to go! I'm just about to send my last student to checkride and I have 2120/480 multi. |
Originally Posted by Moonwolf
(Post 1632960)
You know what's funny about all this. I was talking to a Jazz pilot the other day, they were complaining because first year pay is 55K. Worldwide regional flying first year is roughly the same or better. I have a friend at Arik Air flying a dash8 as an F/O making 85k a year.
I'm studying for my ATP written right now so that I can apply to a U.S. regional, but I have this nagging thought that goes like this: "Why would you work your ass off and commute for $20,000 a year? What if you are stuck commuting for reserve to a city you don't live in? Are you an idiot?!" I also feel like it might be smart to wait until after July when more regionals are parking airplanes and they get desperate and have to raise first-year pay... Or are they not financially able to raise first year pay? Or would it cut into their bottom line deep enough that it would actually be most cost effective/profitable to park those planes instead of paying first-year guys more? And I do understand the math that makes it so that flying airplanes with 50 or 70 seats instead of 150 seats makes it impossible for a regional to match 737 pay... Can we go fly in Europe or West Africa (Arik Air) with an FAA Commercial certificate? I'm ready to go! I'm just about to send my last student to checkride and I have 2120/480 multi. Good luck. |
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Originally Posted by fullflank
(Post 1633097)
No you can't drop below 65 hours. But since youre trading in the sap, you can dump all your inefficient trips for high credit efficient ones. You can easily squeeze 65 hours into 2 four days and 1 three day trips. Then you can have the rest of the days off, or pick flying back up at premium pay if you like.
And yeah, regional pay is a joke at all levels. I'm approaching 4th year pay at my airline and am still only grossing in the mid $30s every year. |
Originally Posted by Prime
(Post 1634211)
Not sure I understand this. How can everyone dump their inefficient trips for high time ones... Somebody (junior?) has to cover the bad stuff. That's usually how it works... Senior pilots get paid more to work less, so to speak. How is PSA different?
And yeah, regional pay is a joke at all levels. I'm approaching 4th year pay at my airline and am still only grossing in the mid $30s every year. Inefficient trips end up broken up and flown by reserves. |
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