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Originally Posted by supercub70
(Post 1632546)
One thing that I have noticed with any/all of these threads -- they all turn into a "b&%^h" session!
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Originally Posted by gold
(Post 1632520)
If someone is genuinely interested in PSA and how the contracts works, they can PM and I would be more than happy to help. There's no point in getting into the specifics when folks like yourself have to ******* all over the place when PSA is mentioned.
If you're going to make statements like that back it up with facts. If you can't back it up with facts then don't post them. No new hire cares about how much money YOU make per year your how great YOUR schedule is. They care about what steps you took in order to make that amount of money or adjust your schedule so they can learn how to do it themselves. If you can't provide information about how you do these things then you're either a management tool or just flat out lying to potential new hires. I personally would be glad to help out new hires with bidding strategies or information on what does and does not work with PBS and trip trading. Contrary to popular belief here on APC our contract that was ratified in 2013 was pretty good. Including EXCEPTIONAL scheduling language. Nothing in our contract changed with our most recent concessionary deal other than pay caps and in increase in insurance premium sharing. I don't really know what else you would have him say. |
Originally Posted by Anderson
(Post 1617295)
Then why don't captain upgrades take a hit on their pay rates when they transition to the left seat, in order to cover training costs? First year pay rates are low because the UNION negotiates it that way. They use the savings to make gains elsewhere in the pay scales for more senior pilots.
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Originally Posted by pagey
(Post 1632566)
He did back it up with facts and you continue to dog him.
Contrary to popular belief here on APC our contract that was ratified in 2013 was pretty good. Including EXCEPTIONAL scheduling language. Nothing in our contract changed with our most recent concessionary deal other than pay caps and in increase in insurance premium sharing. I don't really know what else you would have him say. I wasn't here before the increase in insurance cost but the health insurance is pretty good at PSA in my opinion, low premiums, low deductible and good coverage. My girlfriend works in the insurance industry and she agrees. |
Originally Posted by rcfd13
(Post 1632552)
My comments have nothing to do with PSA and everything to do with the fact that recruiters keep posting BS on this message board to attract new hires. If you had been at Skywest, Expressjet, Envoy or any other regional and said "I can adjust my schedule to make it perfect because of our contract!" or "It's possible to make $36k first year with our great contract!" but didn't back up your statements with facts I would have called you out just the same.
If you're going to make statements like that back it up with facts. If you can't back it up with facts then don't post them. No new hire cares about how much money YOU make per year your how great YOUR schedule is. They care about what steps you took in order to make that amount of money or adjust your schedule so they can learn how to do it themselves. If you can't provide information about how you do these things then you're either a management tool or just flat out lying to potential new hires. I personally would be glad to help out new hires with bidding strategies or information on what does and does not work with PBS and trip trading. |
Originally Posted by Systemized
(Post 1632596)
I know gold and everything he has said so far is correct. He is also not management. Give him a break, the guy is just trying to help.
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Originally Posted by rcfd13
(Post 1632607)
How is he helping? He's said nothing other than "I make lots of money and my schedule is great!" That isn't helping. It's boasting.
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Originally Posted by AlaskaBound
(Post 1632669)
The bigger problem here is that Gold, and apparently others at PSA who voted in the piece of crap concessionary contract thinks $36,000 is a lot of money. THAT is the problem.
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Originally Posted by AlaskaBound
(Post 1632669)
The bigger problem here is that Gold, and apparently others at PSA who voted in the piece of crap concessionary contract thinks $36,000 is a lot of money. THAT is the problem.
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I don't understand how Psa contract allows guys to make a lot of money by not working a lot? Is that just going to be something that the leadership will be able to prevent in the future? Also things are good at psa now that you all are hiring like crazy and growing how great will the contract be when the company is properly staffed and the movement of pilots has slowed down? I ask the questions because I was at an airline when I could pick up reserve and make 6 hours of pay, when I could pick up trips at 200 percent. I made a lot of money until it all came crashing down. Please don't think I am hating on psa pilots at all but it is hard to hear guy talking about how great it is there when it APEARS they voted in a concessionary contract. Pilots are selfish by nature and behavior but we try to hide that by all of our talk as being united but when people vote in contracts that only benefit themselves it is hard to swallow.
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