Compass isn't based in SFO as far as I know. Skywest is though, your closest other regional would be Horizon over in medford or portland but that's a commute (albeit one of the better shorter commutes out there)


I may be biased on this subject but come to skywest!

 

CommutAir for one, and they provide accommodation during training.

 

SongMan, why don't you take a look at Amflight? They have an Oakland base, home every night, weekends off, turbine PIC, and more pay than the regionals.
Definitely a good place to tread water as the industry picks up if you're burned out with instructing.

Its been argued to death on here with different opinions, but it is possible to skip the regional B.S. altogether on the way to your ultimate career goal, whatever that may be.

 

Um, hate to break it to you but most of the current list IS going to flow to Delta, hence the movement, hence the reason they have a flood of applicants (well, that and the engines are under the wings ) New hires get a guaranteed interview at some point in the future. While the value of that is debatable it is also true that there are well qualified people that can't even get that.
Wait, didn't you also say that people have to pay their dues? I dare say that if you looked at the total compensation one would get from Compass over a 5-7 year period, assuming a less than three year upgrade due to the flows, one is going to come out far ahead of a lot of other regionals.

On a similar note, first year pay at UPS is $33. Would you refuse to go their on principal as well?

Pretty sure if he goes to SkyWest on the Bro that he'll never see JFK or ORD. Shure, he'll be poor the first year, but their second year pay is decent.

 

Any decent regional will pay for your hotel during training.

As far as amflight, we have 3 amflight guys here in class at SKW and while yes you will be home evernight in hayward, you will also be gone from 5am to 9pm EVERY WEEKDAY. for kids purposes, you are only at home on the weekends.

I'd say go for skywest so you can be reserve at SFO and spend time at home.

 

Agreed. buddy over there needs to learn about the regional before he bashes it.

He could be a reserve at SFO in less than 3 months. 6 months if you want to be extremely conservative. Hell he could be a lineholder in fresno in 2 months and just drive down if he wanted. But reserve at SFO would probably be better for his family.


To tallflyer: if he chooses the bro at skw, he could be in: FAT, LAX, PSP, PDX, SFO, SBP and SLC.

SLC and PDX would almost NEVER happen even if he wanted it. FAT and SFO would be the two most likely places he would get. For OP I think that's great.

 

C5 does have a great first year pay rate, but it's also true that 2nd year is mediocre in comparison to a lot of RJ operations, and Capt pay, even with their raise, is still $15 less than RJ guys. There were two west coast commuters in my new hire class and one is now at SkyWest, and the other interviewed there, haven't talked to him lately.
Because working for a UPS feeder sucks, and many of them head for the regionals anyway. I can't speak specifically to the OAK base at AmFlight, but in my UPS feeder experience "home every night" meant at 8 hour rest period, and your days were spent in some crappy crew apartment in the middle of nowhere. On Monday one commutes to the outstation, and Sat one commutes back to your base. That's one day off a week if you're doing the math. Now, if you lived in an outstation life was great, but trying to have a life in the hub was about impossible.

 

Absolutely deserve more but you bring up Commutair but their 2nd year pay is less than CP or other regionals. So no matter what eventually you will be making less than your counterparts. Whether you go to CP or Skywest and make less 1st year or go to Commutair and make less 2nd year. Also facts make defending CP easy because we actually have movement and flow that will clear out our list ( BTW Delta put out a memo saying all flows will be done by Early 2016, thats 280ish pilots gone by then. We operate at 440-460). It's a regional yes but compared to others it makes sense in this environment.

 

For the sake of your marriage and kids pick a career where you are home every night and weekend. This job isn't worth it, maybe you will be one of the lucky ones but this job is tough on personal relationships, divorce is rampant is in this industry. Is it really worth 24k a year to miss just one Christmas or one birthday?

 

I really can't be bothered with these arguments but I have some time so what the hell.

1) A flow isn't the only way to get to fly for a legacy, and not everyone wants to fly for Delta. What good is a Delta flow if your dream is to fly for FedEx?

2) Yes people have to pay their dues, but someone with prior 121 or 135 likely already has.

3) Comparing Compass to UPS is like comparing Mcdonalds to Ruths Chris Steak House.
Of course you would put up with low first year pay if you were hired at your ultimate career destination, which Compass isn't.

4) IF, he goes to SkyWest, AND he gets the Bro he MIGHT be able to hold SFO. It dangerous to assume the best case scenario in this business.