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soakingpilot 04-11-2014 02:45 AM


Originally Posted by GlobeTreker (Post 1620852)
Somebody get's it. As soon as we make any gains, management will just pull a Compass out of their azzes. We need an actual union.

Finally were getting somewhere with this.

So a change is to maybe get a union that really serves the regionals. Ok.. Is that possible? :confused:

freighthound 04-11-2014 05:27 AM


Originally Posted by GlobeTreker (Post 1620852)
Somebody get's it. As soon as we make any gains, management will just pull a Compass out of their azzes. We need an actual union.

After you get a Union you then need to stop supporting the politicians whose number one goal is the destruction of labor and all Unions. Pilots keep voting for people who spend their days and nights coming up with new laws and policies with the express intent of destroying organized labor so their buddies at the Country Club can run all over their employees in order to maximize their take. Those same pilots then wonder why they end up with crappy pay, work rules and loss most meaningful grievances and lawsuits. DUH!

Pilots are professionals but we are still laborers. The only way we can secure descent pay and benefits is through collective bargaining. We have to be able to have a voice at the table in order to be heard. Maybe we should try asking our politicians where they stand on collective bargaining and organized labor, rather than the other issues that are nothing but side shows when it comes to our careers. Let's only support politicians who support labor regardless of their party affiliation.

DryMotorBoatin 04-11-2014 05:38 AM


Originally Posted by freighthound (Post 1621315)
After you get a Union you then need to stop supporting the politicians whose number one goal is the destruction of labor and all Unions. Pilots keep voting for people who spend their days and nights coming up with new laws and policies with the express intent of destroying organized labor so their buddies at the Country Club can run all over their employees in order to maximize their take. Those same pilots then wonder why they end up with crappy pay, work rules and loss most meaningful grievances and lawsuits. DUH!

Pilots are professionals but we are still laborers. The only way we can secure descent pay and benefits is through collective bargaining. We have to be able to have a voice at the table in order to be heard. Maybe we should try asking our politicians where they stand on collective bargaining and organized labor, rather than the other issues that are nothing but side shows when it comes to our careers. Let's only support politicians who support labor regardless of their party affiliation.

What does it matter who is in office when th union itself encourages concessions at eagle, pinnacle, psa, xjet, and rah?

hockeypilot44 04-11-2014 05:43 AM


Originally Posted by DryMotorBoatin (Post 1621321)
What does it matter who is in office when th union itself encourages concessions at eagle, pinnacle, psa, xjet, and rah?

It doesn't. One thing I always disliked about Moak is that he believes outsourcing and cheap outsourced labor (regional pilots) saves the legacy money which then lets the legacy pay its inhouse pilots more. This is a backwards way of thinking.

RgrMurdock 04-11-2014 06:33 AM

I just love how Moak seamlessly went from sending the eagle pilots a letter about how they should take a 10 year concessionary contract to "it's all about the money" and how we need to raise the bar in the regional industry to combat the pilot shortage.

DryMotorBoatin 04-11-2014 06:55 AM


Originally Posted by RgrMurdock (Post 1621343)
I just love how Moak seamlessly went from sending the eagle pilots a letter about how they should take a 10 year concessionary contract to "it's all about the money" and how we need to raise the bar in the regional industry to combat the pilot shortage.

Funny how that works isn't it?

tom11011 04-11-2014 07:00 AM

Someone mentioned that you really don't have a union, but an organization. That is probably a very true statement. ALPA is a conflict of interest, they collect your dues to serve major airlines.


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