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TheTransporter 04-14-2014 07:42 AM


Originally Posted by pagey (Post 1622713)
zing......

"What what, hunch hunch" :D

PilotJ3 04-14-2014 08:30 AM


Originally Posted by Waitingformins (Post 1622804)
What are the guarantees that the 200’s are staying?
Republic and Mesa had to shut down part of their 50 seat flying to ease the growing pains, you think PSA won’t need to?
Assuming the American E-jets are to be announced this year, will that inhibit recruiting & upgrades at PSA? It would seem PSA is currently also benefiting from uncertainty at other carriers which won’t be there forever.

Yup, once AAG announce who will get those EJets PSA hiring will slow. Then they will park the 200s once the 900s come online.

New Hires at PSA might bail for the regional that will get those EJets. Jr pilots jumps like rabbits for whenever they think it will be the next fast upgrade place.

Mason32 04-14-2014 08:44 AM



Originally Posted by P8ASW (Post 1622342)
What is it that holds the process up?

Thanks!


At PSA, wholly owned by American, nothing!! They have FULL classes starting every two weeks. I have several friends who have been hired and they are seeing steady movement. Good luck!
Sorry, but PSA is canceling vacations, denying drop requests, junior manning like crazy, and not allowing pilots to use the flow agreement to go to your precious AA owner.

Your recruiting attempt is lame.

Paid2fly 04-14-2014 05:26 PM


Originally Posted by pagey (Post 1622711)
FO pay with the TA at the year 4 cap will be the same as it was at the 7 year cap that everyone congratulated us on a year ago this month due to contract language.










"Everyone", or did you mean few and or no one?:confused:

pagey 04-14-2014 05:46 PM


Originally Posted by Paid2fly (Post 1623205)
"Everyone", or did you mean few and or no one?:confused:

I was talking about our contract last year.

Not our most recent TA.

pagey 04-14-2014 06:00 PM


Originally Posted by Bbourne2009 (Post 1622762)
What's in the contract language? I'm not familiar with it but it sounds like your getting paid 7yr rates or something?

We get a small raise per "large RJ" up to 89 acft. It would amount to around 1.5% with the full amount. We also get a flat 1% per year.

If the 200s are parked we see another 1ish% due to an increase in our blended rate.

That would put a 4yr capped FO at around ~41.50 for 2015 and ~41.90 for 2016.

Our old 7 year rate was 42.

This, of course, doesn't help us 10 years from now when our money is worth significantly less. Just getting the facts out there. A turd painted like a flower is still a turd etc, etc.

fullflank 04-15-2014 06:06 AM


Originally Posted by pagey (Post 1623221)
We get a small raise per "large RJ" up to 89 acft. It would amount to around 1.5% with the full amount. We also get a flat 1% per year.

If the 200s are parked we see another 1ish% due to an increase in our blended rate.

That would put a 4yr capped FO at around ~41.50 for 2015 and ~41.90 for 2016.

Our old 7 year rate was 42.

This, of course, doesn't help us 10 years from now when our money is worth significantly less. Just getting the facts out there. A turd painted like a flower is still a turd etc, etc.

I always wondered why the company even bothered doing this. All they did was move the top out FO pay from year 7 to year 4 and called it a cap. Obviously it's better for FOs. Now captain caps are different.

pagey 04-15-2014 07:11 AM


Originally Posted by fullflank (Post 1623403)
I always wondered why the company even bothered doing this. All they did was move the top out FO pay from year 7 to year 4 and called it a cap. Obviously it's better for FOs. Now captain caps are different.


To get to 51%....or 61 in our case.:mad:

NovemberBravo 04-15-2014 01:18 PM

Any estimated upgrade times at other Regionals?

rcfd13 04-15-2014 01:22 PM


Originally Posted by fullflank (Post 1623403)
I always wondered why the company even bothered doing this. All they did was move the top out FO pay from year 7 to year 4 and called it a cap. Obviously it's better for FOs. Now captain caps are different.

Because it's a long term contract and now they don't have to increase pay for cost of living even though majors have adjustment for inflation built into the regional contracts. Every year PSA management will make more money from the majors while the pilots make the same (or less if you factor in inflation).

Regionals love long term contracts.

PilotJ3 04-15-2014 01:38 PM



Originally Posted by PilotJ3 (Post 1622696)
That, and the latest new hires are the ones that where stuck when the regionals increased the TT.

Most of them where around 1,000 to 1200 TT. Once they get hire, there will be a couple of months with super low hiring and high attrition.

Well, this doesn't make any sense at all.

By this theory the "super low hiring and high attrition" would've already happened. There's no gap AFTER those 1k-1.2k guys, it would've been before. Which also makes no sense.
Sure, but the amount of pilots passing their CPL has decreased for the last couple of years. Less pilot pool overall...

Also take in consideration that in August the new rules to take the ATP written will dry up more. The amount of pilots that will pursue regional airlines as their entry job after CFI will be less.

By then PSA probably will announce that they can't do all the flying they think they can.

So again, high attrition while slow hiring. It's already happening, only that most of the PSA pilots think they will be at AA in 4 years.


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