Currency and Hiring
06-01-2014 | 07:57 AM
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Great responses thank you! Good idea about the multi-IPC too!
I know many of you reading this are probably saying "why the heck would you leave your current job...."
But please let me tell you something that I did not understand in my prior 121years. I had it good. Really good. Maybe not money wise, but crew wise, environment and flying wise. I lived at my base and had great friends at the airport and local community. Things that would annoy me I actually miss!
A job becomes a job that is why we get paid. But in that pay comes a sense of self-worth and enjoyment, pride etc... I had that in the 121 world. Now flying a desk, I have the money but can't get out of bed in the morning with a smile. I loth it at times. We all work for the man but please if you are not happy in your current role as a pilot think for a second about what you have. If you can't see the value in your current role and can't get out of bed with the excitement you thought you would have while on IOE then think hard about what it would be like to sit in a windowless cube changing "this" to "that". My green grass syndrome (GGS) turned brown quickly and 4 sure was never as green as I thought it would be.
I know this has nothing to do with my initial question but it is free 20-20 hindsight!
Fly safe and hope to see you in the terminals.
I know many of you reading this are probably saying "why the heck would you leave your current job...."
But please let me tell you something that I did not understand in my prior 121years. I had it good. Really good. Maybe not money wise, but crew wise, environment and flying wise. I lived at my base and had great friends at the airport and local community. Things that would annoy me I actually miss!
A job becomes a job that is why we get paid. But in that pay comes a sense of self-worth and enjoyment, pride etc... I had that in the 121 world. Now flying a desk, I have the money but can't get out of bed in the morning with a smile. I loth it at times. We all work for the man but please if you are not happy in your current role as a pilot think for a second about what you have. If you can't see the value in your current role and can't get out of bed with the excitement you thought you would have while on IOE then think hard about what it would be like to sit in a windowless cube changing "this" to "that". My green grass syndrome (GGS) turned brown quickly and 4 sure was never as green as I thought it would be.
I know this has nothing to do with my initial question but it is free 20-20 hindsight!
Fly safe and hope to see you in the terminals.
I am very miserable in my desk job even way into the 6 digit pay!
I am about to make the plunge, enjoying your job is extremely important. After a few years, the money will be better, I hope!
06-01-2014 | 08:15 AM
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06-01-2014 | 08:28 AM
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From: Engines Turn or People Swim
Hello,
I am researching the message boards about currency and 121 applications. I am a former 121 pilot, been out 7 years, but remain current flying various GA aircraft. Not a great deal of time but multiple IPCs etc without issues.
My time is a tad above 2700TT and 1300 SIC turbine. I know that the regionals are hiring but would they often get the CFI types with more active flying creds.
In your opinion would I be competitive for an AWAC, RH etc...?
And before anyone brings it up, yes I am willing to leave my desk job!
~Thank you!
I am researching the message boards about currency and 121 applications. I am a former 121 pilot, been out 7 years, but remain current flying various GA aircraft. Not a great deal of time but multiple IPCs etc without issues.
My time is a tad above 2700TT and 1300 SIC turbine. I know that the regionals are hiring but would they often get the CFI types with more active flying creds.
In your opinion would I be competitive for an AWAC, RH etc...?
And before anyone brings it up, yes I am willing to leave my desk job!
~Thank you!
06-01-2014 | 09:14 AM
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I'll be the fart in church. IF we're talking about making a buck-fity at AA/DL/SWA/UA, then sure thing bud. But if we're talking about merely substituting one problem for another (i.e. make good money/hate what you do vs make no money/like what you do) then you guys are truly doing it all sorts of wrong.
Take a look and see who makes up the preponderance of recreational flyers, everything from 2-seater RVs to a private TBM/PC12 and everything in between. It's not airline pilots, I can tell you that right now. And these folks get weekends off when the people that matter actually get them too. If you are truly making real play money (anything above 120, assuming your wife works) and you're not getting your flying jollies off privately, you're an idiot or your wife is a sick spendthrift and you need to get a better one.
The proposition of hating engineering/running away from it was easy for me to sell to myself because I wasn't gonna make decent play money in it anyways. Nothing to lose, nothing to look forward to type o' deal. But, if I was making 150K/yr on it and right away, I'd find a way to slack off enough not to want to kill myself and otherwise go fly the TWO airplanes I could afford to hangar in my very own airpark house while getting to also afford the necessities of life and set my family up for success. Never mind have the actual time off to get to enjoy all of it. You'd never see me on here, that's for sure. I'd be island hopping on the Caribbean as a weekend trip, just 'cuz I could. I'd be the envy of the office on Monday, with my racoon eyes and farmers tan, still smelling of sunblock.
Shuffling around from terminal to terminal to lay in bed overnight in Shreveport 3 times a week, away from yours for piddly 35K/yr (or even 65K/yr) ain't gonna make you happy long term. To each their own. To me, a regional airline job would make a decent part time job at best. But that's not what this industry needs, and I admit that enough not to go become part of the problem. The regionals need to die. No one is owed their dream. Ask me about it (I'm sure I still have the F-16 flight simulator I grew up with somewhere in the basement).
/stirpot
P.S.
And yes, XJT are handing out these "jobs" like Oprah handing out G6s to bored housewives on a Tuesday. Nothing to fret, just show up to the building and you get a car.
Take a look and see who makes up the preponderance of recreational flyers, everything from 2-seater RVs to a private TBM/PC12 and everything in between. It's not airline pilots, I can tell you that right now. And these folks get weekends off when the people that matter actually get them too. If you are truly making real play money (anything above 120, assuming your wife works) and you're not getting your flying jollies off privately, you're an idiot or your wife is a sick spendthrift and you need to get a better one.
The proposition of hating engineering/running away from it was easy for me to sell to myself because I wasn't gonna make decent play money in it anyways. Nothing to lose, nothing to look forward to type o' deal. But, if I was making 150K/yr on it and right away, I'd find a way to slack off enough not to want to kill myself and otherwise go fly the TWO airplanes I could afford to hangar in my very own airpark house while getting to also afford the necessities of life and set my family up for success. Never mind have the actual time off to get to enjoy all of it. You'd never see me on here, that's for sure. I'd be island hopping on the Caribbean as a weekend trip, just 'cuz I could. I'd be the envy of the office on Monday, with my racoon eyes and farmers tan, still smelling of sunblock.
Shuffling around from terminal to terminal to lay in bed overnight in Shreveport 3 times a week, away from yours for piddly 35K/yr (or even 65K/yr) ain't gonna make you happy long term. To each their own. To me, a regional airline job would make a decent part time job at best. But that's not what this industry needs, and I admit that enough not to go become part of the problem. The regionals need to die. No one is owed their dream. Ask me about it (I'm sure I still have the F-16 flight simulator I grew up with somewhere in the basement).
/stirpot
P.S.
And yes, XJT are handing out these "jobs" like Oprah handing out G6s to bored housewives on a Tuesday. Nothing to fret, just show up to the building and you get a car.
06-01-2014 | 09:29 AM
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From: Engines Turn or People Swim
I'll be the fart in church. IF we're talking about making a buck-fity at AA/DL/SWA/UA, then sure thing bud. But if we're talking about merely substituting one problem for another (i.e. make good money/hate what you do vs make no money/like what you do) then you guys are truly doing it all sorts of wrong.
Take a look and see who makes up the preponderance of recreational flyers, everything from 2-seater RVs to a private TBM/PC12 and everything in between. It's not airline pilots, I can tell you that right now. And these folks get weekends off when the people that matter actually get them too. If you are truly making real play money (anything above 120, assuming your wife works) and you're not getting your flying jollies off privately, you're an idiot or your wife is a sick spendthrift and you need to get a better one.
The proposition of hating engineering/running away from it was easy for me to sell to myself because I wasn't gonna make decent play money in it anyways. Nothing to lose, nothing to look forward to type o' deal. But, if I was making 150K/yr on it and right away, I'd find a way to slack off enough not to want to kill myself and otherwise go fly the TWO airplanes I could afford to hangar in my very own airpark house while getting to also afford the necessities of life and set my family up for success. Never mind have the actual time off to get to enjoy all of it. You'd never see me on here, that's for sure. I'd be island hopping on the Caribbean as a weekend trip, just 'cuz I could. I'd be the envy of the office on Monday, with my racoon eyes and farmers tan, still smelling of sunblock.
Shuffling around from terminal to terminal to lay in bed overnight in Shreveport 3 times a week, away from yours for piddly 35K/yr (or even 65K/yr) ain't gonna make you happy long term. To each their own. To me, a regional airline job would make a decent part time job at best. But that's not what this industry needs, and I admit that enough not to go become part of the problem. The regionals need to die. No one is owed their dream. Ask me about it (I'm sure I still have the F-16 flight simulator I grew up with somewhere in the basement).
/stirpot
P.S.
And yes, XJT are handing out these "jobs" like Oprah handing out G6s to bored housewives on a Tuesday. Nothing to fret, just show up to the building and you get a car.
Take a look and see who makes up the preponderance of recreational flyers, everything from 2-seater RVs to a private TBM/PC12 and everything in between. It's not airline pilots, I can tell you that right now. And these folks get weekends off when the people that matter actually get them too. If you are truly making real play money (anything above 120, assuming your wife works) and you're not getting your flying jollies off privately, you're an idiot or your wife is a sick spendthrift and you need to get a better one.
The proposition of hating engineering/running away from it was easy for me to sell to myself because I wasn't gonna make decent play money in it anyways. Nothing to lose, nothing to look forward to type o' deal. But, if I was making 150K/yr on it and right away, I'd find a way to slack off enough not to want to kill myself and otherwise go fly the TWO airplanes I could afford to hangar in my very own airpark house while getting to also afford the necessities of life and set my family up for success. Never mind have the actual time off to get to enjoy all of it. You'd never see me on here, that's for sure. I'd be island hopping on the Caribbean as a weekend trip, just 'cuz I could. I'd be the envy of the office on Monday, with my racoon eyes and farmers tan, still smelling of sunblock.
Shuffling around from terminal to terminal to lay in bed overnight in Shreveport 3 times a week, away from yours for piddly 35K/yr (or even 65K/yr) ain't gonna make you happy long term. To each their own. To me, a regional airline job would make a decent part time job at best. But that's not what this industry needs, and I admit that enough not to go become part of the problem. The regionals need to die. No one is owed their dream. Ask me about it (I'm sure I still have the F-16 flight simulator I grew up with somewhere in the basement).
/stirpot
P.S.
And yes, XJT are handing out these "jobs" like Oprah handing out G6s to bored housewives on a Tuesday. Nothing to fret, just show up to the building and you get a car.
06-01-2014 | 12:08 PM
#18
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From: ERJ, CA
Maybe if you told us which airlines, you are looking at, you could get a better idea of the lifestyle. There is a lot of upheaval in this business just starting. Also, you have to realize the economy in general is very shaky and airlines are VERY susceptible to the state of the economy.
If you hate your job, why not look for another job outside of flying that also pays well. Once you are in this game, there is NO lateral moves you can make--remember that!
If you hate your job, why not look for another job outside of flying that also pays well. Once you are in this game, there is NO lateral moves you can make--remember that!
06-01-2014 | 01:55 PM
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Great point Bedrock..... I am considering AWAC and Commutair for home base reasons. Both seem to have a happy pilot group-which is very important to me. I am aware of the 2015 contract issue with AWAC but I don't see a company going out of business in only 1 year, could be wrong though.
Also, SJS is nice to have but really for me it's about QOL.
Also, SJS is nice to have but really for me it's about QOL.
06-01-2014 | 05:22 PM
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From: ERJ, CA
Great point Bedrock..... I am considering AWAC and Commutair for home base reasons. Both seem to have a happy pilot group-which is very important to me. I am aware of the 2015 contract issue with AWAC but I don't see a company going out of business in only 1 year, could be wrong though.
Also, SJS is nice to have but really for me it's about QOL.
Also, SJS is nice to have but really for me it's about QOL.
Iam curious, though. What made you get out of 121 in the first place? Did you leave Comair?
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