Hiring News at Xjt Crj
 

I was talking to a buddy of mine earlier today. Apparently Xjt has dramatically stopped hiring or maybe just hiring for attrition now.His sim eval was canceled and he was told hiring there is being reduced at this time , at least on the crj side.Also read on another forum that no crj classes are scheduled beyond July or maybe August and from there only a select few will be placed in a hiring pool?Anyone that wants to hire you into a pool in todays enviroment would deter me anyway.That cant be good.They are turning away qualified people at a time when everyone is hiring ever one they can.
I know Xjt is parking planes , and dosent have any new growth to talk about, so they may have done him a favor . Usually when hiring slows, then new hires go into a pool, then hiring stops , then furlough .He wanted Xjt so he could live in base ,so he is kind of bummed out about it right now, but he has a couple other offers on the table .My advice to him was go with the one that offers the best contract and qol, and yeah commuting sucks but it dosent suck as much as being furloughed, which is probably on the horizon for Xjt crj seems
.Skywest is getting new 175 s and they are just letting Xjt bleed itself dry I guess.No new planes or additional flying. So , yeah, maybe he is better off some where else .Any xjters crj feel free to chime in.

Yeah, making **** up is fun, isn't it? :rolleyes:

He's still being put through training and he'll live in base and have a better contract than anyone else. I don't get the point of your post.

Not making up anything buddy. His sim eval was canceled he said .He had already interviewed and completed the testing. The sim was all that was left and they canceled it he said.Told him thanks but no thanks because hiring is coming to a stop.No Bs.
Also look on the interview gouge website, you know the one I'm talking about.Recent New hires are going into a pool.Read it for yourself

In the time I've been at the airlines I've seen hiring slow down multiple times. I've seen hiring fully stop twice. I've seen class dates canceled and the new hires put into a pool. In that time period they never furloughed a pilot, eventually called everyone in the pool and they've been hiring full steam for about a year now.

There's no basis for you making stuff up. Furloughs are predictable when a company loses a major contract, declares bankrupcy or the economy tanks. ASA has done none of those things. Hiring slow downs happen for a variety of reasons.

They've been parking airplanes and pulling check airmen off the training pipeline to fly for months; is that news to you?

Which is why they have been crawling up and down my arse for an interview even when I wasn't properly licensed for the last 3 months? :rolleyes:

Something is fishy

Two words: Negotiation Tactics.

That is all.

Hiring News at Xjt Crj
 

Nah. This is the real deal. Major pull back in hiring, and the ERJ side has a massive amount of aircraft parking that will be announced.

This is the official union email about it on the ERJ side:


Training Center Furlough Notice



Today, ExpressJet management sent out a request to the training center for voluntary furloughs of flight instructors from the training department to line flying, in accordance with the collective bargaining agreement, prior to the potential of involuntary furloughs to line flying. The total number of potential furloughs has not yet been determined and will be provided by the Company at a later date. We have been in contact with management and they have informed us that the drawdown of the ERJ fleet is expected to outpace attrition. Training of new hires and upgrades will also decrease. As of now the Company has not canceled any upgrade classes or new hire training of pilots.



Your MEC will hold a meeting the week of June 9, 2014 at the XJT MEC Office in Houston. We strongly encourage all available pilots to attend. Your MEC will provide additional information on this matter in future communications. Please continue to stay informed and contact your pilot representatives should you have any questions.

You guys can't really be this stupid.

Pilots with experience about SkyWest management tactics have been posting on these boards for over a year that this was coming.

Chainsaw C$$$ wasn't moved into position to hold your hands and tell you you're all beautiful unique snowflakes.

Negotiations and mutual compromise on key sticking points are the benchmarks he is probably looking for. And a clear path to profitability in a very short time frame (maybe already passed?) or jets are going to be parked.

If you really can't guess what's coming there may be no hope for you.

It doesn't matter, we are not going to work for less than what we make now. You can't pay us more? No problem, park them all...

The truth shall set you free!
 

The truth shall set you free! Straight from the Mezzanine.

NO ONE had their SIM cancelled.
Increase in CRJ classes with a cut back in ERJ classes.
Interviewing 3 days a week.
New interview process started 06/02

New interview process? Out of pure curiosity do you any idea what has changed?

Are new hires typically just in the CRJ-200 or the 700/900 as well?

No more 3 hour, 3 step computer based testing. Replaced with 45 question computer based ATP, Commercial style Job Knowledge test. Higher concentration on Two on one personal and technical interview.

It's the XtU profile, all pilots hired after 6/2/14 and sit as a captain for 2 years get a flow straight to United. :eek:

I hope you're ready to put your money where your mouth is. The time has way passed for internet chest thumping. We are in the last two minutes of the 4th quarter and were down by a touchdown. We need the touchdown plus the two point conversion to survive.

Typically yes, but occasionally a few seats are needed for the 700/900 and are filled based on hew hire bid preference seniority. One's base is also determined by current need and bid. Plan on CR2, celebrate CR7 !

Haha this post is hilarious. This company spending all that time and money to train a pilot and then last minute say thanks but no thanks? Ha! Nice try

I didnt know that xjt was doing a sim eval, they must have changed in the last few months....

I called bs on this too until he forwarded the email to me.Yes his sim eval was canceled due to a reduction in hiring. I Read it myself.
If I'm lying I will cover all your flying for you this month and you take the month off with pay. Do I have a taker?

Captain Tony, we already put our mouth where our money is! What did you think the 83% NO vote meant? Hello? You negotiating guys still don't get it! We don't want to work for ANYTHING less than what we make. They are already parking aircraft like they said they would before the vote...yawn.

I've heard if you fail the Delta knowledge test they let you do a sim eval in its place (scheduled at a later date). My guess is they are being more selective on applicants right now with the reduction in hiring. Last company notice said to expect 15/m.

Cog test, not knowledge test .... correct otherwise!

This is great news for anyone flying for regionals. How else are these pax going to be flown? Maybe this flying will come back to mainline and cause a greater need for mainline hiring!

Or maybe UAL and DAL will just abandon the third tier markets we fly 50 seaters to as they're parked? That's my prediction.

What? I can't hear you troll.

This is all fine and good. No one wants you to take a pay cut or concession. For the love of all that is holy you gotta stop saying otherwise.

It is in all our interest to pattern bargain up the pay scale. But it is just amazing that the livelihoods of the thousands of ground workers, Fa, etc are not even on your radar. The success of your company is more than all about you.

You're calling a bluff and the axe man is in your living room. For my personal benefit don't take a pay cut. For the benefit of your coworkers you should negotiate in good faith. There is more to profitability than pay scales.

FA's, ground workers, etc. have not spent 100K on their education, do not risk their livelihoods daily and have more lateral mobility than pilots. FA's and mechanics have their own unions to negotiate for them as well.

If pilots cave, the FA's and mechanics will the next targets.

I don't think he is calling a bluff, the rapid shrink of XJT is real! And yet we are not going to fly for less than what we make now. You can't pay us "fair" wages? Park the planes (or renegotiate your contracts with UA/DL/AMR).

I've never said there was a work group that had more invested in the success of the company than the pilots. Management included. This is different than saying the pilots are the ONLY ones with something to loose.

Admittedly I don't know if the other work groups are in it for long term success or just long enough for the next opportunity to present itself.

Okay. Fair enough.

I don't really have a dog in this fight. In all sincerity I wish ASA and XJT pay raises and growth. Good luck.

Everyone keeps talking about "fair" wages but can someone post in monetary terms what that is? In other words, what should be the baseline for year 1 to x for FO and Capt on the 145, 200, 700 &900?

Well, I'll gladly vote to just keep the contract I have in order for the rest of us to keep our jobs. But I won't vote for a pay cut just so that the ramp guy can keep his job. I'm very sorry about that. Is that holy enough for you?

By the way, what I am trying to say is that we already called the company's bluff when we voted NO to concessions. And the company is making good on their threat. Maybe management has already made the calculation that this is not a viable company. I'm ok with that.

In truth, it should be equal work equal pay like the trades. A 1 year captain produces the same amount of work per flight hour as 18 year captain same for FO’s. It would also make switching hats easier and drive the industry up. 65k & 95K are my numbers

Well.. if this is true.. back to reserve for the 3rd time!! The 7 year reserve captains have me beat by a long shot. However, I have my doubts about the truth to this. Probably FozJared posting this in his mom's basement slurping creatine. Making up rumors because Mesa isnt meeting their quota.

This is way off base. An 18 year pilot has acquired much more experience, knowledge and skill than a new hire. This is the basis for continuing pay raises. I learn more each year that adds value to my skill set. You pay me more for my new knowledge.

I'd be interested in hearing what people say about this.

50-60/hr for FOs and 90-100 for Capra with an over ride for the larger acft

Fair has nothing to do with it. We provide a known percentage of profit and should be paid an equal percent of income to our peers in 737's etc. Our CEO makes equal (or more)!than UA's yet the pilots don't.

If our management makes $600k ++ (keeping this same ratio) I ballpark guess a 10 yr capt on a 70 seat plane would pay about $100-120 and FO's would earn about $80-90K per year.

I get your point, but why is it then that an 18 year Captain transitioning from a regional airline to a major airline is paid at the lowest pay scale? ( I would submit the experience level of an 18 year RJ Captain and a 737 Captain are pretty similar ). I know the answer: seniority. Perhaps pay is not based on the merits of skill and expertise after all, but longevity. I've only been at this for a couple of years, but it seems to me that the seniority system shackles pilots to a carrier they might otherwise be apt to leave. I think you are correct, pay should be based on experience. However, it would seem to me pay is based on company loyalty because experience does not matter (for pay).