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Originally Posted by RV5M
(Post 1669169)
Not tons of outside coverage on this issue. Here's a recent article with which I wholly agree:
Republicans sell out free-market principles for union favors | TheHill |
Originally Posted by Farmlover
(Post 1669168)
It's not a boo hoo party for me. 15,000 regional pilots make horrible wages. How is this system not broken? yet no one cares or does anything to help us out. suddenly alpa cares about nai? What about it's own pilots who make way less than what these foreign guys pay. its sad how far down the river the pilots in this country have been sold. Open your eyes and look what happened right here its way worse than little ole nai or any other foreign carrier.
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Originally Posted by CBreezy
(Post 1669182)
Read it. Of course a super-conservative think tank leaning libertarian is going to side on the company over the union. That's what conservatives do. They support big business and trickle down economics. Of course, most powerful conservatives are also the CEOs and/or majority shareholders in those businesses. Of course they don't want the little people (labor) to oppose discount labor. Tell me, how has the trickle down helped anyone in the middle class? Ninety percent of the gains have been made by the top 10% of wage-earners. I digress.
CEIs history/funding aside, Libertarian or classically liberal does not equal conservative. |
170k for a 787 captain? What do you think they would pay for a 737/A320? an E175? You can bet if they pay less then United on a 787 they won't pay more on anything else. I'm not talking just about NAI. If you open the door to flag of convenience, somebody will fly E175s and they won't pay F/Os a living wage either. Not that professional pilots should ever make "just" a living wage. There is a reason they want to skirt labor laws and it's not so they can pay you more to fly their airplanes.
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Originally Posted by RV5M
(Post 1669195)
CEIs history/funding aside, Libertarian or classically liberal does not equal conservative.
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Originally Posted by MD11
(Post 1668999)
Let me start by saying this is not flame-bait, but the reality of a better life and career for most regional pilot does not lay with American legacy carriers. ALPA and the big three have turned their backs on the hard working and sometimes abused 18,000 regional pilots. Simple contract corrections, modest QOL improvements, solid flow and/or seniority list placement have been ignored. What do the legacy carriers expect the 18,000 pilot regional pilot monster to do… sit and wait to be invited to the exclusive esoteric party? If they had any common sense, they would include regional pilots now, and I mean tomorrow. If not, I believe our pilots livelihood and QOL improvements will be provided by foreign carriers. Again, this post is not meant to anger anybody, but you have to place yourself in the shoes of the everyday regional pilot.
I have exited the industry after flying for multiple regional carriers (4 types). I have no checkride failures, a degree plus multiple other FAA tickets… still no call from the big boys. I am not unusual, but rather a carbon copy of the multitudes of highly qualified regional folks that are currently out there and not getting called. I fervently hope that foreign carriers are granted permission to operate in the U.S. and hire American pilots. I was very disappointed in the latest congressional vote concerning NAI. Some of you may toss me aside as disgruntled, but there are thousands of other regional pilot that are of the same opinion but silent. I will do everything I can to promote foreign carriers to operate in the U.S. and for regional pilots to convert their licenses for a better life. REMEMBER, the legacies created this 18,000 regional pilot monster,,,, please accept the repercussions. For regional pilots, listed below is a bit of info concerning a possible better way of life. If you have an ICAO ATP and more than 500 hours on Multi Pilot Aircraft: Your Requirements in Brief Pass 14 Written Exams Obtain a First Class Medical Pass Training as Required in a Flight Simulator Approximately $2000 As an example concerning regional compensation… compare this to your Regional paycheck…. Norwegian pays its captains about $170,000 annually and pays first officers about half that. Again not flamebait,,,, but if you insist. ALPA you can kiss my A$$ How about you and the rest of the 18,000 regional pilots do what we have already done....... interview and EARN your position at a major vs. having a job at a major handed to you. You are a perfect example of the entitlement generation at it's finest. |
Originally Posted by MEMbrain
(Post 1669204)
How about you and the rest of the 18,000 regional pilots do what we have already done....... interview and EARN your position at a major vs. having a job at a major handed to you. You are a perfect example of the entitlement generation at it's finest.
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Originally Posted by MEMbrain
(Post 1669204)
How about you and the rest of the 18,000 regional pilots do what we have already done....... interview and EARN your position at a major vs. having a job at a major handed to you. You are a perfect example of the entitlement generation at it's finest.
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Originally Posted by Farmlover
(Post 1669148)
Yay for you. I am 8 yrs in and I will make 37k this year. Enjoy the money.
Having only been with the regionals a short time, I can't imagine why so many chose to endure this. Stagnation was pretty obvious over the last decade. Why not leave and do something else? Those just joining the regionals now are closer to upgrade than some who have been sticking it out for years. |
If this thread represents the attitude, awareness, and knowledge of the issues affecting our profession, then sadly, our profession is lost. The future generation of pilots is inheriting a 100 year legacy of struggle and fights with the governments and airline bosses. To suggest handing over the richest consumer market to new entrants that don't have to play by the same rules as those imposed on incumbent carriers is misguided at best.
The arrogance to think foreign airlines, the likes of NAI will represent any kind of long-term industry-wide improvement to your pay, quality of life, retirement, or medical assistance is just laughable. If you only want a cheap airline ticket on an airline with marginal infrastructure, the NAI's of the world may be the way to go. If on the other hand you're a pilot and want any semblance of a career, defeating NAI (and those that will follow) is the most important battle of your career. The OP's man-boy tantrum is akin to "taking his ball and going home." But, when you get over yourselves, I hope you can man up an see the threat that's on your doorstep is a game changer, and you won't like the game. |
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