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Originally Posted by Slick111
(Post 1676954)
The difference is this: there's a plentiful supply of foreign computer geeks (willing to work for poverty wages) for BOTH American and Non-American companies to draw from but there is NOT a plentiful supply of foreign pilots (willing to work for poverty wages) for EITHER American or Non-American companies to draw from.
Same thing happened in the IT industry. Took them about 6-10 yrs to catch up but the did. Guys I graduated with in the early 90s could almost write their own ticket in the IT industry. The were being offered starting salaries in the $60k-$70k range and were still a semester from graduation. Fast forward 20 yrs later and the starting salaries are lower (much lower if you factor inflation) and you can't swing a dead cat without hitting a guy with a IT degree. Just look at the US Merchant Marine fleet or lack thereof. Another victim of the "Flag of Convenience" |
The long term goal is to make airplanes smarter, so pilots can be dumber and have less skill. Airbus started this track earlier, seeing the rising demand in Asia. They are designing airplanes for a guy who previously drove a tractor. We've seen how this line of thinking ends up. You can't trust automation to fly an airplane yet, but they are trying hard to produce this. When this happens OR they convince people it has happened, everyone will be able to get a certificate. ALPA should be pointing out what happened with the "operators" on Air France 447 who were not properly trained--the plane killed them and all aboard. This is why I view ALPA as a failure; they have plenty of opportunity to air the dirty laundry to the public and they don't.
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Originally Posted by Thedude
(Post 1677060)
Give it time and there will be.
Same thing happened in the IT industry. Took them about 6-10 yrs to catch up but the did. Guys I graduated with in the early 90s could almost write their own ticket in the IT industry. The were being offered starting salaries in the $60k-$70k range and were still a semester from graduation. Fast forward 20 yrs later and the starting salaries are lower (much lower if you factor inflation) and you can't swing a dead cat without hitting a guy with a IT degree. Some coding can be offshored, but if you're a US citizen with reputable degree in a computer/systems/EE field you'll have no trouble getting a job in the defense industry.
Originally Posted by Thedude
(Post 1677060)
Just look at the US Merchant Marine fleet or lack thereof. Another victim of the "Flag of Convenience"
Not to mention there's simply no source of cheap foreign pilots. This could change but it will be a long time coming, and would probably require MCPL. Congress is probably not going to raise domestic airline pilots standards to ATP and then turn around and allow foreigners with equivalent of a PPL and some flight sim experience to fly US domestic service. |
Originally Posted by bedrock
(Post 1677087)
The long term goal is to make airplanes smarter, so pilots can be dumber and have less skill. Airbus started this track earlier, seeing the rising demand in Asia. They are designing airplanes for a guy who previously drove a tractor. We've seen how this line of thinking ends up. You can't trust automation to fly an airplane yet, but they are trying hard to produce this. When this happens OR they convince people it has happened, everyone will be able to get a certificate. ALPA should be pointing out what happened with the "operators" on Air France 447 who were not properly trained--the plane killed them and all aboard. This is why I view ALPA as a failure; they have plenty of opportunity to air the dirty laundry to the public and they don't.
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