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Duke990 07-03-2014 06:46 AM


Originally Posted by Duke990 (Post 1676926)
I've worked the Delta Connection side for 5 years and now I work for CommutAir. The difference in service is astounding. I find our crews are always busting their butts trying to make everything work right, but it's like leading a horse to water only to have it stand there stubbornly not drinking. I'm Dulles based and the ground handling from Air Wisconsin is absolutely abysmal. Trying to get a lav service, commissary, or ground air is an effort in futility. "Hey ops, we need blah blah blah." "Copy" Aaaaaand, then nothing happens until I walk into the commissary area and say we need commissary at gate so and so. Then I walk into the ramper break room and say, "hey guys, this is a Q200, we don't have an APU, we need ground air. It's 90 degrees today." And they look at me like they have no idea what I'm talking about. I won't even get started on the customer service agents "above the wing."

I feel so terrible for the passengers. By the time they get to my plane, they are already ****ed off. I try to make my part of the experience as enjoyable as possible (it is a Dash8 after all) but I can only do so much. I really hope United gets its act together....and soon!

Somebody must have heard me complaining. Just got word that Swissport will be replacing Air Wisconsin in IAD effective 11/01/14. Here's to hoping things will get better!

GlobeTreker 07-03-2014 06:48 AM


Originally Posted by motormadness (Post 1676905)
It is truly an embarrassment to fly in the UAX system. Period. And yes, United pre-cancels way more Express flights before they'll even touch their own. I get it, but when you're running about 15% more outsourced capacity than your competitors, you'll have a major problem so quickly. United relies on the Express carriers so much for its North American feed. I won't even say domestic because it's not. Anyone one here that works for a carrier that flies for UAX understands. I saw a stat the other day that Delta has around 77% mainline capacity at its largest hub (ATL) while United is like 35% at ORD. Granted ORD is not Uniteds largest hub and is around half the size of the Delta ATL operation, but still. Seeing how ORD has gate capacity issues you would think that number would be higher. I would be interested to see what IAH runs as the largest hub for United.


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It blows me away how United craps all over it's regional operation. Cancel, delay, ignore ACARS in range requests, don't clean the aircraft and on and on and on. They are screwing their own customers. The passengers bought tickets from United, not UAX. It seems as though United management thinks they can shift the blame for their suckieness over to the regional carriers somehow. They don't seem at all interested in protecting the image of their brand. United is truly one sad airline.

Bravo3 07-03-2014 06:53 AM


Originally Posted by check complete (Post 1676900)
like i said on another thread, nothing sucks like united express operations. I'm skywest and usually fly delta lift and occasionally united lift, i purposely bid avoid united flying. But when i do the difference is profound, i'm pretty sure united can claim victorious in providing the worst customer experience for regional flying. I mean, it's bad enough as it is, but united goes to incredible efforts and really digs deep to make it sickening. I used to try to make a difference, but have given up. I show up and fly, nothing more, i'm not going to give the only effort for a crap product when management has gone to extreme lengths to make flying united express hideous.

There's a cpa running united, cpas running everything, everybody makes money but nothing works. Smisek is running united and is the only major to lose massive amounts of cash while everybody else is making billions!

Like i said, nothing sucks like united!

nailed it!

RgrMurdock 07-03-2014 07:06 AM

I can't believe after that first abysmal quarter Smisek is still around.

Tom a Hawk 07-03-2014 07:18 AM


Originally Posted by Duke990 (Post 1676928)
Somebody must have heard me complaining. Just got word that Swissport will be replacing Air Wisconsin in IAD effective 11/01/14. Here's to hoping things will get better!

In case you're new to this industry, that's just a shuffling of contracts to keep workers from having too much longevity. The same people will be rehired by swissport. There's a few good eggs at the A gates in IAD but the cards are so stacked against them it's hard not to get jaded.

This is always the issue for businesses when they outsource their core competency. It takes an extreme amount of effort to get contractors to perform at your level. If you don't pay them well enough for them to know where there bread is buttered there's no incentive to do the job really well.

Geardownflaps30 07-03-2014 07:24 AM

DCI was exactly the same way 10 years ago. Epically bad. Hats off to Delta for fixing it. UAX is just plane (plain) embarrassing.

rickair7777 07-03-2014 07:25 AM


Originally Posted by Duke990 (Post 1676926)
I've worked the Delta Connection side for 5 years and now I work for CommutAir. The difference in service is astounding. I find our crews are always busting their butts trying to make everything work right, but it's like leading a horse to water only to have it stand there stubbornly not drinking. I'm Dulles based and the ground handling from Air Wisconsin is absolutely abysmal. Trying to get a lav service, commissary, or ground air is an effort in futility. "Hey ops, we need blah blah blah." "Copy" Aaaaaand, then nothing happens until I walk into the commissary area and say we need commissary at gate so and so. Then I walk into the ramper break room and say, "hey guys, this is a Q200, we don't have an APU, we need ground air. It's 90 degrees today." And they look at me like they have no idea what I'm talking about. I won't even get started on the customer service agents "above the wing."

I feel so terrible for the passengers. By the time they get to my plane, they are already ****ed off. I try to make my part of the experience as enjoyable as possible (it is a Dash8 after all) but I can only do so much. I really hope United gets its act together....and soon!

When dealing with UAX I just advise the station on the in-range call that we will be needing lav, bug-wash, commissary, etc and we will not be leaving until we get it. The delay will be on them, and I follow up with a phone call to the company to make darn sure the delay sticks where it belongs. I think they know who I am now, but I always seem to get what I ask for.

I do however try to plan PITA ground service requests for the longer turns so the station isn't hopelessly under the gun.

That's about the best I can do with UAX.

Really 07-03-2014 08:24 AM

You all are a 100% correct!! The UAX product stinks!!! Hopefully, with the continued bad service it will eventually die, and return to mainline!!

air101 07-03-2014 08:28 AM


Originally Posted by Duke990 (Post 1676928)
Somebody must have heard me complaining. Just got word that Swissport will be replacing Air Wisconsin in IAD effective 11/01/14. Here's to hoping things will get better!

Wouldn't count on it. They will probably just rehire the same people.

GravyRobber 07-03-2014 08:29 AM

...For lower pay and fewer benefits….I'm sure they will do a GREAT job!


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