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Avroman 07-05-2014 05:52 AM


Originally Posted by e6bpilot (Post 1677888)
Agree with above. You can log sole manipulator time, but it isn't what the airlines are looking for. They want time you had authority and responsibility for the flight as the designated PIC. I have heard a lot of corporate jobs want sole manipulator time listed.

Cheap corporate/charter operators do that to legally pad the times for insurance purposes. Airlines don't care about that...

BoilerUP 07-05-2014 05:58 AM

Airlines want to see PIC time in accordance with Part 1 (ie. responsible for the aircraft), and don't care about Part 61 PIC (ie. sole manipulator).

Its your logbook, log it how you want to...but be fully prepared to justify in an interview why you logged a bunch of turbine PIC time when you were a first officer who never signed for the plane AND for the people interviewing you to frown upon your reasoning.

IMO, doing so is a high risk/low reward proposition.

makersmarc 07-05-2014 06:05 AM


Originally Posted by Spoiler (Post 1677903)
short answer with a question - who does the FAA come after when something goes wrong?

This is a great question.

The short answer is BOTH pilots.

While the captain may sign the release, both pilots are equally responsible for the safe outcome of the flight. If the captain misses something in the mx log and you go flying with an open writeup? Yep, both of you get violated.

snippercr 07-05-2014 06:37 AM


Originally Posted by makersmarc (Post 1677916)
This is a great question.

The short answer is BOTH pilots.

While the captain may sign the release, both pilots are equally responsible for the safe outcome of the flight. If the captain misses something in the mx log and you go flying with an open writeup? Yep, both of you get violated.

But one of us gets paid considerably less.

RomeoSierra 07-05-2014 07:18 AM

Thanks for the replies. I wasn't going to count it. Just made me think about and how a senior wide body captain disconnected from the real word.

Salukipilot4590 07-05-2014 07:43 AM

At a bunch of regionals the FO also signs the release...

Only log it if you're in the left seat (unless you're an LCA)

NYGiantsFan 07-05-2014 08:54 AM

Simple real answer....dont be an idiot and log PIC as a 121 regional FO. The Capt is the PIC on the release. He/she will be the PIC, it will be a guarantee you will be turned away by a major at the interview.

gloopy 07-05-2014 09:27 AM

What idiot would log PIC time as a regular line FO in 121? That's an instant application shredder, as it should be.

RJ Pilot 07-05-2014 10:06 AM

My FO can log whatever the heck he wants. Its his logbook. However, he knows WHO is in charge and thats NOT him.

meah 07-05-2014 10:16 AM

No. You are not the PIC. Whoever told the OP that is very old and confused.


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