Would you support a B scale at your regional?
 

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Question:

Would you support a B pay scale at your regional airline for all new hires if it meant your regional airline would acquire new aircraft, or better qol, or better pay, or other improvements?

This has already been covered in detail:

http://www.airlinepilotforums.com/ma...-tool-day.html

Self nominations are in order.

No time to look through 501 pages of stuff so maybe you can be more specific.

Dude...........Really?
Why ruffle everyone's feathers? We need unity not more divisiveness. I don't see the purpose of this

***! You mean more like a D or an F scale?! Regionals are already on a C scale.

No one wants to see LARGER planes at regionals... We want to see those Jets at mainline where they belong.

Is this thread really necessary? Seems like obvious troll bate. Cam mod spread close it?

How could they possibly pay new hires less. You would never see additional airframes because there would be no one to fly them.

If there is a guaranteed number at mainline only. It seems like you already do exactly the same thing as your mainline counterpart. Why not get some kind of flow. Money won't be enough to bring new pilots in. The sacrifice that is required of someone investing this much time to become a pilot is not worth it anymore. Lots of 6 figure jobs out there now and piloting being a high paying job is becoming a distant statistic.

It's absolutely necessary. Rumor over at eaglepilot is management to come back to the table with B scale. Of course just a rumor so don't get your feathers all ruffled. But clearly at least one person so far thinks its a good idea.

This rumor has already been debunked! It is absolutely not necessary to have this thread unless of course you're a management troll trying to gauge the sentiment of the pilots! So the question is, are you management?

This statement is not true! Look at Mesa! Even if there was a "b-scale" put in place at eagle the pay rates and contract would still be higher than Mesa! So evidently pilots are willing to work for less for the opportunity to fly bigger newer airplanes!

2001 called. SkyWest wants its Ace back.

Hence the problem with this industry today and the reason for this useless thread

Exactly!!!

Is this poll stupid?

X Yes
_ No

Maybe it's just for the joy and prestige of having J.O. as their fearless leader?:eek:

So your saying with mainline hiring really just getting started Mesa is not going to have any staffing issues? I thought they were already having issues and were even hiring by phone and soliciting pilots who had not even applied. Why is Mesa doing so well on hiring and others having so much trouble?

Since we're already on W scale, hell yeah I'd vote for a pay raise!.

What the hell is wrong with you?

I fail to see the relevance of your question, as the poll shows nearly 1 in 5 pilots think its a good idea currently.

What's wrong with you being un-American on 4th of July weekend encouraging censorship. People died fighting for things like free speech :rolleyes:

I used to think they'd have problems but just based on even this forum alone there seems to be a staggering amount of guys flocking to These airlines despite the crappy contracts and pay... Why? There seems to be one common denominator.... New airplanes! The SJS is so blinding that the things that matter like contract and pay are evidently entirely ignored!

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My reaction to this thread

Does everyone here just ignore the fact that a lot of people pick a place to work based on location/living in base? Seems to me like making a few bucks less an hour but living where you work is worth it for someone...everyone has to determine what their qol/time is worth.

Coming from the mil side I've done nothing but fly big jets...my transition to the airline world would be based solely on what works best for my family in terms of qol....I don't care what airplane it is.

Disclaimer: I do not work for an airline.

Yes, since regionals are currently on the D scale, the B scale will be a huge improvement.

Tunes, this is totally legitimate and most people will agree that a move close to home is a good move. Period.

However, the discussion here is not about living in a convenient place. It's about sacrificing pay for bigger Jets. And the answer should always be NO. But apparently 1 in 5 pilots just don't get it.

Ok makes sense...I'm talking apples to oranges in this thread.

Let me rephrase that for you: the poll shows more than 4 in 5 pilots think it's a TERRIBLE idea. Clear as mud?

I feel like an airline did something somewhat similar to this recently?

Think a B scale would put people off? Anyone remeber the Pay To Play companies?

"There's a sucker born every minute." As long as there is a percieved looming pilot shortage, suckers will bite. So the question is can EMAU, ATP, etc, hire a marketing company that is able to lure in enough of those suckers.



A regional pilot group that is willing to vote in a B scale to help fill the ranks (oh, and get to that left seat faster) better not b***h when Marvelous Mainline pilots give up more scope for their own higher pay. Its the same d*** thing.

And that other one was on their iPhone and touched the wrong "button"!

Why is there not a HELL NO! option?

A regional b-scale wouldn't surprise me. The regional ranks may be polarizing into lifers (voluntary or otherwise) and upwardly mobile noobs.

The noobs would probably willingly fly for less if it meant jet time, especially PIC, on the assumption that they'd be moving on in a matter of months anyway.

When a 15-year RJ CA sees prop FO's who were ASEL CFIs one year ago getting hired by legacies, they don't feel any sense of empathy or need to make any sacrifices to help the noobs out.

Of course this won't work if there's a pilot shortage at the entry level, because all else being equal folks will go for a little more money. But I could see a CA B-scale, where CA's under say 5-7 years only get FO pay on the assumption that there will be enough PIC-seekers falling all over themselves to do it. Then if you stick around long enough to enter the lifer ranks then you get a big bump. This would allow the lifers to more closely approximate a living wage, while the interns (noobs going to the majors) get to pay their dues before they hit the big bucks at the legacies.

This whole post was mostly facetious, but it does reflect some real-world attitudes I've seen. With major hiring policies like on-line psych screening and requirements to have done a type ride within the last few years a lot of senior regional pilots are feeling shut out. Not only did they get stuck at a regional much longer than expected, now the majors seem to be devaluing the traditional hiring metric (experience) in favor of mechanisms which favor young and untarnished folks.

I think this is a good post, and I really wonder about that last paragraph, too. I get the impression the industry would rather have fresh, brand new (untarnished) pilots than have highly experienced pilots who may have made mistake a some point in their personal or professional lives.