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sulkair 07-08-2014 11:10 AM

Regional Airline Sizes at a Glance
 
Using # of pilots as a metric of size:

Click to see Regional Chart:

If you guys have actual numbers, please post and I'll update the chart.

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Packrat 07-08-2014 11:12 AM

Piedmont is spelled wrong. Other than that, very informative.

bretthull 07-08-2014 11:14 AM

You forgot Eagle

sulkair 07-08-2014 11:17 AM

Ok, that's why there's two of us up here, LOL. I'm on it guys!

Expect corrected chart soon!

sulkair 07-08-2014 11:24 AM

Fixed:

Click to see chart:

Original link works too - just remember to refresh your browser or old chart might show up.

deltajuliet 07-08-2014 11:30 AM

Pretty cool.

PilotJ3 07-08-2014 11:45 AM


Originally Posted by bretthull (Post 1679844)
You forgot Eagle

Did you mean, Envoy?

sulkair 07-08-2014 11:49 AM


Originally Posted by PilotJ3 (Post 1679870)
Did you mean, Envoy?

He was right, I forgot Eagle/Envoy - now it's in there as Envoy.

I did a chart for Majors too, in the major section, and I was seriously tempted to type America West beside the longest bar:D

Heisenberg 07-08-2014 11:51 AM

Great chart, thanks for the breakdown.

spaaks 07-08-2014 11:58 AM

Pretty sure Great Lakes has less than 100 pilots now

sulkair 07-08-2014 12:04 PM


Originally Posted by spaaks (Post 1679885)
Pretty sure Great Lakes has less than 100 pilots now

Any Lakers got a good number?

EngineOut 07-08-2014 12:17 PM


Originally Posted by sulkair (Post 1679856)
Fixed:

Click to see chart:

Original link works too - just remember to refresh your browser or old chart might show up.

I honestly had NO IDEA that there were so few regionals now -- and that "INC" has the lion's share of pilots.

Dear SAPA,

We've got some leverage.

Thanks for the info.

sulkair 07-08-2014 12:25 PM


Originally Posted by EngineOut (Post 1679897)
I honestly had NO IDEA that there were so few regionals now -- and that "INC" has the lion's share of pilots.

Dear SAPA,

We've got some leverage.

Thanks for the info.

These are all APC numbers from the profiles. If you guys have better numbers please let me know and we'll get this chart tightened up.

9GulfTango 07-08-2014 12:27 PM

I had no idea Air Whisky and Mesa were so close in size. I always imagined Mesa as a much larger airline.

sulkair 07-08-2014 12:31 PM


Originally Posted by 9GulfTango (Post 1679908)
I had no idea Air Whisky and Mesa were so close in size. I always imagined Mesa as a much larger airline.

Mesa had 1800+ pilots before the EMB-145's started getting parked around '09.

NVUS 07-08-2014 12:32 PM

SkyWest has double the amount of aircraft as Republic (170 vs 352). So either Republic is overstocked with pilots, SkyWest is severly understocked, or something in the middle. Either way there is something fishy there.

sulkair 07-08-2014 12:39 PM


Originally Posted by NVUS (Post 1679915)
SkyWest has double the amount of aircraft as Republic (170 vs 352). So either Republic is overstocked with pilots, SkyWest is severly understocked, or something in the middle. Either way there is something fishy there.

APC profile numbers has Republic at 230 aircraft.

We need to update everything.

9GulfTango 07-08-2014 01:00 PM


Originally Posted by sulkair (Post 1679914)
Mesa had 1800+ pilots before the EMB-145's started getting parked around '09.

Ouch. That cant have been a fun time to be a Mesa pilot

Goflynow 07-08-2014 01:20 PM

Nice job on the chart.

It would be cool to see total number of planes and get an idea of how thick or thin they are crewed.

great job

sulkair 07-08-2014 01:23 PM


Originally Posted by 9GulfTango (Post 1679944)
Ouch. That cant have been a fun time to be a Mesa pilot

no sir it was not.

sulkair 07-08-2014 01:29 PM


Originally Posted by Goflynow (Post 1679962)
Nice job on the chart.

It would be cool to see total number of planes and get an idea of how thick or thin they are crewed.

great job

That would be very cool. I might figure out how to link a spreadsheet that can be edited by everyone. I could manage it, but it would be tough to verify data so we would have to trust the updaters.

deltajuliet 07-08-2014 01:48 PM

I've been told that, statistically, there are 4.3 crews per plane.

NVUS 07-08-2014 02:02 PM


Originally Posted by sulkair (Post 1679922)
APC profile numbers has Republic at 230 aircraft.

We need to update everything.

My guess would be those numbers included Frontier

CaptainCarl 07-08-2014 02:51 PM

Silver is 229 as of June, but that number changes monthly.

I like the idea of having a spreadsheet that can be updated by trusted sources and managed by a few.

Editorial notes: "GoJet" is one word. Envoy's "2,650" needs a comma. "ExpressJet" is also one word. I'm a stickler, I know.

sulkair 07-08-2014 03:14 PM


Originally Posted by CaptainCarl (Post 1680021)
Silver is 229 as of June, but that number changes monthly.

I like the idea of having a spreadsheet that can be updated by trusted sources and managed by a few.

Editorial notes: "GoJet" is one word. Envoy's "2,650" needs a comma. "ExpressJet" is also one word. I'm a stickler, I know.

I'm on it wrt editorial notes. Thanks CC.

seattlepilot 07-08-2014 03:20 PM

Regional side of rah has about 2400 pilots. 3000 includes our friends at frontier.


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supercub70 07-08-2014 04:12 PM

Great stuff Sulkair, thanks for posting.

sulkair 07-08-2014 04:30 PM


Originally Posted by seattlepilot (Post 1680042)
Regional side of rah has about 2400 pilots. 3000 includes our friends at frontier.


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Thanks - chart updated to reflect 2400

sulkair 07-08-2014 04:31 PM


Originally Posted by supercub70 (Post 1680065)
Great stuff Sulkair, thanks for posting.

...You bet!

The LINK should now take you to a spreadsheet that can be directly edited. If you change a number it should automatically reflect in the chart. If you mess up use Command or Control Z to undo.

Don't see the real spreadsheet? Force refresh you browser.

tom11011 07-08-2014 06:48 PM

In April, according to an article, Great Lakes had 78 pilots, 6 EMB120, and 28 1900D models.

I like the spreadsheet, any particular reason to divide the pilot number by 10?

sulkair 07-08-2014 07:27 PM


Originally Posted by tom11011 (Post 1680138)
In April, according to an article, Great Lakes had 78 pilots, 6 EMB120, and 28 1900D models.

I like the spreadsheet, any particular reason to divide the pilot number by 10?

Thanks Tom,

Yes, dividing by 10 creates a bar compatible for comparison with the number of airplanes. When you use the actual number of pilots the aircraft bar becomes way too small.

sulkair 07-08-2014 07:30 PM

OK, WELL THAT LITTLE INTERACTIVE EXERCISE LASTED ALL OF 10 MINUTES BEFORE SOMEONE SABOTAGED IT. :mad:

They zero'd out Air Whiskey and Piedmont, and gave PSA all the planes. Classy! Do you feel better now?

Luckily I had a backup. :D

Now, I've had to take away the ability to edit directly. You can give me changes in this thread, or use the upper right "comments" button on the spreadsheet.

If I have an APC screen name to go with the changes, I will personally update the numbers.

No screen name, no change!

Thanks to everyone who played nice:)

Goflynow 07-09-2014 05:15 AM

How do these numbers compare over time (historical) re: right size fleet to crew.

Is the industry short or long on pilots? The ratio of crew to planes after the divide by 10 looks like a useable number (4.3 crews x 2 = 8.6).

again looks great.

Waitingformins 07-09-2014 05:25 AM

Thanks for posting this, it looks good.

NVUS 07-09-2014 05:46 AM

Just a nitpick, but how come most everyone can capitalize CommutAir, GoJet and ExpressJet properly....but no one can seem to ever do the same for SkyWest?

Also, according to the latest fact sheet, SkyWest has 344 aircraft (352 unofficially) and ExpressJet is down to exactly 400. SkyWest, Inc.

Nevets 07-09-2014 06:14 AM


Originally Posted by NVUS (Post 1680326)
Just a nitpick, but how come most everyone can capitalize CommutAir, GoJet and ExpressJet properly....but no one can seem to ever do the same for SkyWest?

Also, according to the latest fact sheet, SkyWest has 344 aircraft (352 unofficially) and ExpressJet is down to exactly 400. SkyWest, Inc.

Probably for a lack of respect.;)

Anyway, your precious "fact" sheet is not factual. The ERJ aircraft information is wrong and doesn't even add up correctly to the total listed. So I don't trust the 400 number or anything else in that "fact" sheet.

NVUS 07-09-2014 06:21 AM


Originally Posted by Nevets (Post 1680338)
Probably for a lack of respect.;)

Anyway, your precious "fact" sheet is not factual. The ERJ aircraft information is wrong and doesn't even add up correctly to the total listed. So I don't trust the 400 number or anything else in that "fact" sheet.

Just another part of the far-reaching conspiracy to keep the ExpressJet-man down, right? Got it.

sulkair 07-09-2014 07:12 AM


Originally Posted by NVUS (Post 1680326)
Just a nitpick, but how come most everyone can capitalize CommutAir, GoJet and ExpressJet properly....but no one can seem to ever do the same for SkyWest?

Also, according to the latest fact sheet, SkyWest has 344 aircraft (352 unofficially) and ExpressJet is down to exactly 400. SkyWest, Inc.

SkyWest spelled correctly now.

sulkair 07-09-2014 07:15 AM


Originally Posted by Nevets (Post 1680338)
Probably for a lack of respect.;)

Anyway, your precious "fact" sheet is not factual. The ERJ aircraft information is wrong and doesn't even add up correctly to the total listed. So I don't trust the 400 number or anything else in that "fact" sheet.

So shall I update SkyWest & ExpressJet based on this 'fact' sheet or not?

FODhopper 07-09-2014 07:40 AM

As of the last Vacancy AWAC has 930 pilots


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