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New document released on the 8th outlines their hours reduction case in presentation format.

News for July 10th, 2014 | Airline Pilot Info

Well thanks for the photo of a shirtless fat dude. Little warning next time?

Slick little website however I don't see anyone reading it except pilots and perhaps Congresssional staffers.

However, it does point to the need for the regional airline unions to continue their informational and lobbying efforts on Capital Hill.

I just saw the slide show from the website - median salary 111K at regionals?

Really.

Need a counter campaign.

Definitely need a counter-campaign...

This is disgusting. I worked my butt off to 1500h like many others and now we may go backwards? For once Congress stick with a good law!
I certainly hope this will NOT happen.
There is no shortage of pilots but shortage of money to pay entry level pilots.

I doubt we'll see any change. Going back on this sort of legislation would be political suicide.

Yep, FAA has been quoted as saying these rules enhance safety.

did they include CEO and top exec pay to skew it that far?

Looking at the slides, it never said that median pay was at the regional airlines. It said that was the median pay for all airline pilots. And realize of course that "median pay" is not the "average pay". Median says that half of all pilots make more than that amount and half make less than that.

Given that they claim there are only about 18,000 regional pilots, and just looking at legacy carriers I am seeing about 40K+ pilots, it is no wonder that the median income is that high. Add in the other big name carriers such as Southwest, JetBlue, FedEx, UPS, Spirit, Etc and it is easy to see why the numbers are what they are.

I took a statistics class in college and I am sure you have heard this before, it is easy to make the numbers look any way you want them using some of the tricks of statistics. They could literally reduce all regional pilots to $1 an hour and the median pay would not change. Still 50% would make more than 111K like the RAA says, and 50% would make less.

The RAA is nothing more than an bunch of used car salesmen and should be treated as such.

When did Piedmont start paying $30K base to start?

Why does the RAA state "Claims that regional airlines could attract enough pilots by raising salaries are inaccurate"?

Inaccurate according to what poll conducted by whom?

There are many different reasons qualified pilots choose not to go to the regionals, but if this "claim" is "inaccurate", then why do so many of them also note that the pay is not commensurate? Why are all these people who have never met saying the same thing?

Perhaps a poll should be taken of all those whose original career goal was airline pilot but chose otherwise. Ask, "What is/are the main reason(s) you decided against being an airline pilot?" Who believes ROI would rank among the top reasons?

RAA seems to be a misnomer. The current name makes it sound like there is harmony between regional airline management teams and employees, like everyone's best interests are represented. This does not seem to be true. All the "ticker tape" quotes are from management. Are there no active/retired line pilots, flight attendants, dispatchers, mechanics, etc. associated with the RAA? Why not call themselves RAMA (regional airline management association) instead?

Perhaps the single most important question of all:

Why did Bryan Bedford at one time require pilots to have 1500 hours of total time before they could be interviewed for a job?

Email your reps and lets make Lee Moak put this on his agenda.

Dont underestimate the power wealthy corporations have over our corrupt politicians. Remember where politicians goto when they need millions to fund their campaigns-the 1%

I really hope the new laws sticks. Politicians should know that their children, loved ones, and themselves will have to put their butts on a regional airline seat. Lets hope they care who is at the controls!

When you have no trouble attracting pilots over 1500TT due to the market being flooded with pilots, setting the highest minimum experience requirements possible does a lot to reduce your insurance costs. The RAA and airlines sure won't say that pilots with less flight time are less safe, and they're really pushing this "quality" (coming from where?) over quantity thing, but insurance companies sure do care about flight time. Staff your airline with nothing but 250TT right seaters and your insurance costs are going to go through the roof.

One could assume it also helps in training costs to hire more experienced pilots.

But when you no longer can fill classes, that 1500TT doesn't become so important anymore.

You make a valid point but I should have added more to my statement. He's gone a step further in past testimony and claims that waiting for the 1500 hours might make you a less proficient, less safe pilot because you are up in the sky flying around in circles. He's had to turn away pilots with 1500 hours because of the bad piloting habits that have developed since leaving flight school.

Have a look here.
http://www.airlinepilotinfo.com/air-...l-communities/

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Because when RAH was requiring pilots w/1500TT, it meant they were poaching pilots from other airlines. Most of the people in my new-hire class in 2007 came from other regionals.

1500TT then meant you got people with 500-1000hrs of 121 experience. Now it means you're getting people with 0 121 exp, but same TT.

That's my bet on RAH's change of heart on 1500hrs

Around 55:00 Bryan Bedford mentions that he's "likely on the list" of qualified pilots who are unwilling to fly for the salaries listed...is he the same Bryan Bedford from Carmel, Indiana with a 3rd class medical and private pilot certificate? If so, I'm trying to figure out how he's in the group of qualified pilots they tallied which listed requirements of having an ATP and a 1st class medical. :rolleyes: