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Packrat 07-24-2014 12:16 PM


Originally Posted by BoilerUP (Post 1690915)
Perhaps I wasn't clear...In short - there is no regulatory mandatory retirement age for Part 91 operators (in part because private carriage is not common carriage) but operators are legally entitled to set an age limit as a BFOQ.

Nice backpedal. Guess what? They won't.

Packrat 07-24-2014 12:19 PM


Originally Posted by thefoxsays (Post 1690949)
Yes, let's raise the retirement age, again. Stagnate the industry.... And I for one sure as hell doesn't want to be in a tube until 65 or beyond. Jesus.

Easily said when you're 30. Let's see how you feel when someone orders you to give up something you love on an arbitrary date. Your perspective may change.

BoilerUP 07-24-2014 12:20 PM


Originally Posted by Packrat (Post 1690958)
Nice backpedal.

Backpedal?

What I wrote is 100% factually accurate, but you inferred something from it that was not intended - that's your problem not mine. Clarifying as to avoid misunderstanding and false conclusions like you obviously made is hardly a "backpedal".


Guess what? They won't.
Exxon obviously has a mandatory retirement age...as have a number of other Fortune 500 flight departments.

Your local company operating a Citation or King Air, yeah, probably not.

block30 07-24-2014 12:25 PM


Originally Posted by Packrat (Post 1690963)
Easily said when you're 30. Let's see how you feel when someone orders you to give up something you love on an arbitrary date. Your perspective may change.

Don't people fly GA anymore??? I really don't understand that argument. Age 65 ain't enough?

Packrat 07-24-2014 12:26 PM


Originally Posted by BoilerUP (Post 1690906)
FWIW, courts have recently upheld 91 flight departments having the same mandatory retirement age as 121 airlines.

This is what you said.


Originally Posted by BoilerUP (Post 1690965)
You inferred something I didn't intend - that's your problem not mine, and clarifying as to avoid misunderstanding is hardly a "backpedal".

I inferred nothing...just read what YOU typed.


Originally Posted by BoilerUP (Post 1690965)
Exxon obviously has a mandatory retirement age...as have a number of other Fortune 500 flight departments. Your local company operating a Citation or King Air, yeah, probably not.

OK, so you have ONE example. With the airlines hiring hundreds of pilots and the regionals going begging, what do you want to bet the fractionals will be hiring more and more retiring airline pilots, especially if they have large numbers of airplanes on the order books.

Waitingformins 07-24-2014 12:28 PM


Originally Posted by Packrat (Post 1690902)
Agreed. However, how do you then justify NO AGE LIMIT for Corporate/Fractional pilots? I've personally flown with a number of pilots who are about to age out who can and do fly rings around the younger guys.

Pass your FAA physical, keep flying. That'll take a small but significant chunk out of the "pilot shortage."

I think your playing this slightly naive, it's the same on the interstate commercial drivers have to keep logs and can be stopped with out cause. The general public is not subjected to the same laws as a commercial operator. Part 91 represents the general public in aviation. If you think the retirement age should be the same than a 18 year old should be able to Captain an A380 with 500 people on board takeoff in ZeroZero without an alternate and we should use single engine airplanes to cross oceans without carrying life preservers.

Many items in aviation are life limited do you propose the mechanic runs the engine for an unlimited amount of time or years as long as it passes "his" inspection once a or twice a year. Besides AMEs really don't carry the same liability inspecting you as the mechanic does inspecting the hot section.

Packrat 07-24-2014 12:29 PM


Originally Posted by block30 (Post 1690970)
Don't people fly GA anymore??? I really don't understand that argument. Age 65 ain't enough?

Never flew GA much. You don't get too excited putting around in a C172 when you learned to fly in a T-28.

I prefer flying multi-million dollar jets and getting paid for it. But, that's just me. :D

BoilerUP 07-24-2014 12:31 PM


Originally Posted by Packrat (Post 1690971)
This is what you said.

Yes, and if you had critica reading skills you would realize that is exactly what the Exxon ruling in the NBAA link I posted did - it upheld Part 91 flight departments having the same mandatory retirement age as 121 airlines.

One might note I did not write that the court required or regulated the 121 retirement age on 91 flight departments.


OK, so you have ONE example. With the airlines hiring hundreds of pilots and the regionals going begging, what do you want to bet the fractionals will be hiring more and more retiring airline pilots, especially if they have large numbers of airplanes on the order books?
I have more than one example, but its not my business to discuss what the policy of operations other than my own.

As to frax hiring retired airline pilots, you're probably right.

But for the third time, 91K isn't public common carriage and fractionals are NOT growing airframes with their orders - they are recapitalizing their existing fleets.

Waitingformins 07-24-2014 12:39 PM


Originally Posted by Packrat (Post 1690976)
Never flew GA much. You don't get too excited putting around in a C172 when you learned to fly in a T-28.

I prefer flying multi-million dollar jets and getting paid for it. But, that's just me. :D

Well you should just fly that 172 with a young person, it'll get real exciting real quick.:)

Waitingformins 07-24-2014 12:49 PM


Originally Posted by BoilerUP (Post 1690979)
Yes, and if you had critica reading skills you would realize that is exactly what the Exxon ruling in the NBAA link I posted did - it upheld Part 91 flight departments having the same mandatory retirement age as 121 airlines.

One might note I did not write that the court required or regulated the 121 retirement age on 91 flight departments.



I have more than one example, but its not my business to discuss what the policy of operations other than my own.

As to frax hiring retired airline pilots, you're probably right.

But for the third time, 91K isn't public common carriage and fractionals are NOT growing airframes with their orders - they are recapitalizing their existing fleets.

Also, if they do grow it would have to be new aircraft users. They might grow as pilots are harder to find, but it would be at the expense of a traditional 91 flight department. IE a CJ2 owner sells his jet lays-off pilots and buys a share of a Hawker 800. Total pilots required would not increase.


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