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Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 1691522)

Historically most incapacitation's have been in the 45 to 55 age range.

No, your probably right that does seem to be the time that life catches up with you. Id even speculate that if AME's put more guys through the ringer 45-55 would be the highest risk for medical denial. If you got through 55 with a medical then you did and do live right. I think the pencil whip AME may skew the numbers on that though.

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Originally Posted by FlyingKat (Post 1691488)

On my last physical, my AME told me they are looking at getting rid of the retirement age for the right seat, and keeping the limit at 65 for the left seat.

Greaaaaat.

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Originally Posted by bedrock (Post 1690948)

There definitely is a gap. Bottom feeder regionals run their applicants through training several times to get them through. I know some majors have done that when the govt. was pressuring them under EEOC rules, but that is not the norm. Everything done at regionals is to meet the min. stds possible. Look at Pinnacle 3701 crash, have you ver heard of something so lame-brained happening at a a major airline?

Why is that? Because those guys built up hours in forgiving airplanes long enough to scare themselves out of doing foolish things.

Give me name of the Company who was pressured by the Govt. and EEOC rules and could you define Several. or are you one of those folks who see a Female or other Minority and ASSUMEs...

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Originally Posted by FlyJSH (Post 1691361)

You got it. Haul checks or boxes for a while, don't kill yourself, and then you can haul a bunch of people.

Unfortunately the 300 hour wonders don't get this.

I have 7 dead friends and another 5 coworkers. I miss them and hope they found peace. But they were not up to flying people.

The reality is a good private pilot with an instrument rating can pass the ATP checkride. But that doesn't mean they have the experience to fly an airliner.

Sorry for your Loss FlyJSH

Check 21 took care of alot of the 135 outfits, just saying

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Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 1691522)

Historically most incapacitation's have been in the 45 to 55 age range.

You are correct, Sir.

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Originally Posted by Packrat (Post 1691489)

Every single inflight incapacitation of an airline pilot was someone well below age 60.

That's because all airline pilots were under age 60 ;)

But actually there have been at least a couple 60+ incapacitations since the law changed.

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Originally Posted by ClickClickBoom (Post 1691340)

1500 hour rule is simple, it's a survival test, if you are gonna do stupid stuff in a plane, it will most likely be solo. If it kills you you are not a suitable airline pilot candidate. In years past it took a long and tortured road to the airliner, I personally know of at least 10 G/A deaths, due to stupidity. The military filter is tougher, getting through flight training is selective enough, add operational flying and the filter is finely tuned. 3500 hours of 135 freight gives one plenty of opportunities to get dead, the military offers as many if not more. It's about survival, nothing more,,,,

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Originally Posted by FlyJSH (Post 1691361)

I agree...that 1500 hour window is an opportunity for folks to de-select from aviation, hopefully because they realize they're not up to it. But failing that, FAA violations and incidents/accidents at least provide some indication for future employers to consider.

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Originally Posted by DD214 (Post 1691604)

Give me name of the Company who was pressured by the Govt. and EEOC rules and could you define Several. or are you one of those folks who see a Female or other Minority and ASSUMEs...

Talk to crew at UAL who have been around awhile. UAL hired someone of a preferential group way back when. The person became a celebrity of sorts and was promoted as a first by magazines.

Trouble was, that person could not fly. UAL was stuck with a PR problem, since that person was giving them a lot of good press. Said person was transferred to training dept, I believe.

BTW, by the accusatory shrill tone of your post, you are assuming a lot as well.

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Originally Posted by FlyJSH (Post 1691361)

You got it.

The reality is a good private pilot with an instrument rating can pass the ATP checkride. But that doesn't mean they have the experience to fly an airliner.

I constantly laugh, sometimes out loud. Some of the worst whiners about the delayed upgrade, get real quiet when it comes time to pick our way through a 3 state line of thunderstorms. Add ATC and a dispatcher who thinks fuel is from his own pocketbook makes for a fun afternoon. Experience is earned and even learned and without it, a partial pilot at best. All the "300 is as good as 3000" crowd should listen to the old guy sitting next to them, he was once young and had to learn the same lessons, probably the hard way, from some grizzly WWII or Viet Nam vet.

1. Eliminate the Sim requirements.
2. Keep 1500
3. Require a minimum combined experience in the cockpit (say, 5000 hours)
4. Require maximum total combined age at the controls (say, 120 years).

The pilots of 3407 didn't even have a combined 1000 hours experience in the Q400. The above, combined with the new 1000 PIC requirements, should be enough.