Chautauqua to be merged into Shuttle America
07-26-2014 | 12:13 PM
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07-26-2014 | 12:24 PM
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They are restricted for seat count as far as the a/c flying for them but not the seat limit for other a/c on the same cert flying for someone else. That is the problem with DAL's scope as it limits the size of all a/c on the same cert regardless of who they fly for.
It does save a lot of money initially as they no longer have to pay double for a bunch of VPs, middle management, SOC and other support staff. Also, believe it or not, we are also having a problem staffing FAs. Its no longer worth it to be an FA with our crappy outstations, low pay, horrible benefits, and abysmal travel benefits (the main reason most become FAs). So they are then able to have all the FAs dual qualified and use them on both the 145s and 170s which means fewer FAs will be required. They already have closed quite a few of the RP bases and will likely only be in LGA by the time the merger occurs. I believe the FAs already have a provision in their new contract for co-basing too.
All the pilots have just been issued company Ipads so by the time the merger happens, they won't have to print off new manuals. They will just update a couple PDFs and issue some new badges.
According to BBs roadshow, Delta wants all the DCI carriers to all wear the same uniform so that adds up to another small cost as they won't have to supply two sets of uniforms for the rest of the people on the cert.
This cert merger is all about removing redundant costs which will same a ton of money in the end. BB has already stated that we will be going down to just the 170's and the Q's. Once the Airways birds are at 76 seats or less with the 190's gone, I have no doubt Shuttle will be gone as well. He can probably sell of the RP cert for a decent profit as well because it already has Saabs, 145's, CRJ's, and 170's on it.
It does save a lot of money initially as they no longer have to pay double for a bunch of VPs, middle management, SOC and other support staff. Also, believe it or not, we are also having a problem staffing FAs. Its no longer worth it to be an FA with our crappy outstations, low pay, horrible benefits, and abysmal travel benefits (the main reason most become FAs). So they are then able to have all the FAs dual qualified and use them on both the 145s and 170s which means fewer FAs will be required. They already have closed quite a few of the RP bases and will likely only be in LGA by the time the merger occurs. I believe the FAs already have a provision in their new contract for co-basing too.
All the pilots have just been issued company Ipads so by the time the merger happens, they won't have to print off new manuals. They will just update a couple PDFs and issue some new badges.
According to BBs roadshow, Delta wants all the DCI carriers to all wear the same uniform so that adds up to another small cost as they won't have to supply two sets of uniforms for the rest of the people on the cert.
This cert merger is all about removing redundant costs which will same a ton of money in the end. BB has already stated that we will be going down to just the 170's and the Q's. Once the Airways birds are at 76 seats or less with the 190's gone, I have no doubt Shuttle will be gone as well. He can probably sell of the RP cert for a decent profit as well because it already has Saabs, 145's, CRJ's, and 170's on it.
They will have to print new manuals. The ipad requires a 6 month trial that has not begun. It probably wont begin for quite a while either. The merger is to be complete in close to 5 months from now. They are going to waste a ton of money on manuals that we will throw away just a few months later.
07-26-2014 | 03:48 PM
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They will have to print new manuals. The ipad requires a 6 month trial that has not begun. It probably wont begin for quite a while either. The merger is to be complete in close to 5 months from now. They are going to waste a ton of money on manuals that we will throw away just a few months later.
07-26-2014 | 05:45 PM
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6 month for IPADs hasn't begun yet, in fact it will be months before it even starts. And while I'm sure this could change, I was told RP got it's IPADs first and S5/YX hasn't gotten theirs. Meaning it will be even LONGER till they get their 6 month period. So ya, wasted manuals, not a game breaker but seems a bit sketchy to me.
And another point, I don't think VPs and middle management will be that affect, after all they keep managing to give themselves larger and larger bonuses every time a new CBA can't be reached.....
Good point about FAs tho, didn't really think about that. Pilots however wont be cross trained, and since not every 145 parking means direct S5 170 replacement, all the growth is on the YX side with AA. So that's where they need the pilots, yet ANOTHER cert to switch too. (Imagine your RP 145 to go S5 145 to then go 175 YX to cover the new AA 175 growth)
And another point, I don't think VPs and middle management will be that affect, after all they keep managing to give themselves larger and larger bonuses every time a new CBA can't be reached.....
Good point about FAs tho, didn't really think about that. Pilots however wont be cross trained, and since not every 145 parking means direct S5 170 replacement, all the growth is on the YX side with AA. So that's where they need the pilots, yet ANOTHER cert to switch too. (Imagine your RP 145 to go S5 145 to then go 175 YX to cover the new AA 175 growth)
07-26-2014 | 05:59 PM
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6 month for IPADs hasn't begun yet, in fact it will be months before it even starts. And while I'm sure this could change, I was told RP got it's IPADs first and S5/YX hasn't gotten theirs. Meaning it will be even LONGER till they get their 6 month period. So ya, wasted manuals, not a game breaker but seems a bit sketchy to me.
07-26-2014 | 08:07 PM
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Manual costs are probably small in comparison. Chatauqua has how many, 800 pilots? Let's say it costs $25 to print each manual. FOM and SOP for each pilot. So $50 total each person. 800 times $50 = $40000. Heck, throw in binders and packaging costs and call it $50000.
It is still a wasteful slaughter of innocent trees, though.
It is still a wasteful slaughter of innocent trees, though.
07-27-2014 | 06:54 AM
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One DOES NOT need to have their iPad in order to do the ELearn, and the sooner we all do it, the sooner those bloody chart cases go away.
In short, if you're an RJET pilot, get off this message board, go to ELearn RIGHT NOW and do the iPad module. You'll find $35 extra in your next paycheck and we can get the ball rolling on this EFB program.
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