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deltajuliet 08-10-2014 02:00 PM


Originally Posted by tom11011 (Post 1702247)
It's more likely that Delta will be the first to begin bringing regional flying back in house, likely to start this year.

American on the other hand is not there yet. American's main concern is to keep regionals flying longer by consolidating the regional fleet. But in order for this to happen it is imperative that all the regional pilot groups allow 12/4.

What's this 12/4 everyone keeps referring to?

seafeye 08-10-2014 02:43 PM

12 year Capt pay caps

And 4 year f/o.

tom11011 08-10-2014 03:18 PM


Originally Posted by seafeye (Post 1703158)
12 year Capt pay caps

And 4 year f/o.

The problem being FO's are sitting in that seat for 8-9 years currently. With 12/4 and regional consolidation, that number could climb higher in the future.

SMACFUM 08-10-2014 07:01 PM


Originally Posted by tom11011 (Post 1703176)
The problem being FO's are sitting in that seat for 8-9 years currently. With 12/4 and regional consolidation, that number could climb higher in the future.

Not by PSA pilot's logic. Everybody will upgrade in under two years, and this will continue forever. And if it doesn't........oh well, F it, screw everyone else, at least they got theirs.

toomanyrjs 08-10-2014 07:11 PM


Originally Posted by tom11011 (Post 1703176)
The problem being FO's are sitting in that seat for 8-9 years currently. With 12/4 and regional consolidation, that number could climb higher in the future.

This would actually be a step in the right direction. A 12 year cap on RJ captains would keep the necessary movement going. 12 years is more than enough time to find a real job and those that can't, should simply be let go at that point. Why should regional lifers be rewarded for their career failure at the expense of those just entering the industry?

atpcliff 08-10-2014 08:16 PM


When they finally drive the regionals out of business, and the domestic feed collapses, you will see them contracting out to startup turboprop and small jet operators to recover the feed. Like they did in the early 90s after the collapse of the 80s model of DC-9s doing <500 mile flights. What's old is new again.
They won't be able to do this, because those startup operators will need to hire ATP pilots...unless they want to start the FOs at $40K/year and the capts at $85 plus, and those numbers are probably low. If they pay that much, then the feed will cost too much for a startup...and they won't be getting any cheap pilots from China, either!!!

Bartok 08-10-2014 08:22 PM


Originally Posted by toomanyrjs (Post 1703276)
This would actually be a step in the right direction. A 12 year cap on RJ captains would keep the necessary movement going. 12 years is more than enough time to find a real job and those that can't, should simply be let go at that point. Why should regional lifers be rewarded for their career failure at the expense of those just entering the industry?

Uhhhh, what?

SilkySmooth 08-10-2014 11:28 PM


Originally Posted by CBreezy (Post 1702332)
Just curious here. Are any 175 or 900 operators doing those ORD-PIA or DTW-GRR legs?

All the time, just did DTW-GRR-DTW the other day with a CRJ900.

FlyJSH 08-11-2014 12:33 AM

The market will reset. All regionals have to do is raise pay by say 10 bucks an hour and they will have plenty of pilots. Still B scale rates. 50 seaters will go away, and 75 seaters will be renegotiated at a higher, but still cheaper than mainline, rate.

"Regionals" flying 1000 mile routes will NOT go away. Mainline won't get the routes. Prices will go up five bucks per leg, and there will still be a B scale. Everything is solved.

If price point is such a big deal that paying 3-4 bucks per flight hour by our customers is outrageous, they surely won't pay 8-10 bucks more for a mainline pilot.

tom11011 08-11-2014 03:07 AM


Originally Posted by FlyJSH (Post 1703350)

"Regionals" flying 1000 mile routes will NOT go away.

It's going away at Delta.
Delta CEO: Regional Airline flying coming back to Delta | Airline Pilot Info


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