Go Back  Airline Pilot Central Forums > Airline Pilot Forums > Regional
Is there really a pilot shortage ? >

Is there really a pilot shortage ?

Search
Notices
Regional Regional Airlines

Is there really a pilot shortage ?

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 09-04-2014, 09:43 AM
  #31  
MK Ultra Candidate
 
ClickClickBoom's Avatar
 
Joined APC: Feb 2013
Position: Prime Leader of Boko Harumph
Posts: 1,167
Default

Originally Posted by Cruz5350 View Post
I'm glad mgmt perceived the pilot group as not getting their vacation so instead they call in sick or fatigued. Real Nice
It's true, it's termed cellular schedule enhancement. Or SSD, scheduled sick day, is when you get the PBS "award" and decide, that, that day, this day, and that 2 day are scheduled for a mental health sick call. When the company decides to expand the base 100% and actually decreases the vacation weeks available, thanks Anita!
ClickClickBoom is offline  
Old 09-04-2014, 09:58 AM
  #32  
Gets Weekends Off
 
Joined APC: Apr 2014
Position: RJ right-seat warmer
Posts: 632
Default

Is there a shortage of pilot applicants for the major pax and cargo airlines? No.

Is there a shortage of pilot applicants for the LCCs (Spirit, Allegiant, JB, SWA, etc)? No.

Is there a shortage of pilot applicants for well-regarded Pt 135 and Pt 91 operators? No.

Is there a shortage of pilot applicants for the regionals? I guess it depends on the regional, and it also depends on how you define 'shortage'. Skywest, for example, is having no trouble filling classes. When I interviewed with 6 other guys, only 2 of us received offers. The 4 other guys all had clean records, relatively high time for regional applicants (avg. 3,500 hours), and a good mix of experience. So I'd say that it doesn't appear that OO is hurting for applicants, given that they don't seem to have lowered their standards one bit.

Neither does it seem that Horizon or Compass are hurting. That may not be the case at other regionals...a buddy of mine interviewed recently at SKW and actually was collared by a Mesa recruiter in the Candlewood parking lot as he headed to the shuttle to his SKW interview (I thought that was an urban legend until it happened to a guy I know.)

I think the reality is that there are thousands of seasoned ATPs with significant amounts of flight time who are currently employed in non-aviation fields, but who would return to the 121 world if the pay was better at the regionals.

So is this a pilot shortage? I don't think so. I think what we're seeing is that instead of 10 applicants for every 1 FO slot, there might be 5 applicants for every 1 FO slot.

Then again, I'm not a recruiter for any airline, so I don't live and breathe that world. So my post is worth only what you paid for it
kfahmi is offline  
Old 09-04-2014, 10:12 AM
  #33  
Gets Weekends Off
 
Jet87's Avatar
 
Joined APC: May 2012
Position: OO RJ FO
Posts: 437
Default

Originally Posted by kfahmi View Post
Is there a shortage of pilot applicants for the major pax and cargo airlines? No.

Is there a shortage of pilot applicants for the LCCs (Spirit, Allegiant, JB, SWA, etc)? No.

Is there a shortage of pilot applicants for well-regarded Pt 135 and Pt 91 operators? No.

Is there a shortage of pilot applicants for the regionals? I guess it depends on the regional, and it also depends on how you define 'shortage'. Skywest, for example, is having no trouble filling classes. When I interviewed with 6 other guys, only 2 of us received offers. The 4 other guys all had clean records, relatively high time for regional applicants (avg. 3,500 hours), and a good mix of experience. So I'd say that it doesn't appear that OO is hurting for applicants, given that they don't seem to have lowered their standards one bit.

Neither does it seem that Horizon or Compass are hurting. That may not be the case at other regionals...a buddy of mine interviewed recently at SKW and actually was collared by a Mesa recruiter in the Candlewood parking lot as he headed to the shuttle to his SKW interview (I thought that was an urban legend until it happened to a guy I know.)

I think the reality is that there are thousands of seasoned ATPs with significant amounts of flight time who are currently employed in non-aviation fields, but who would return to the 121 world if the pay was better at the regionals.

So is this a pilot shortage? I don't think so. I think what we're seeing is that instead of 10 applicants for every 1 FO slot, there might be 5 applicants for every 1 FO slot.

Then again, I'm not a recruiter for any airline, so I don't live and breathe that world. So my post is worth only what you paid for it
I thought that was legend too, until I heard about it from multiple sources!!
Jet87 is offline  
Old 09-04-2014, 10:15 AM
  #34  
Gets Weekends Off
 
galaxy flyer's Avatar
 
Joined APC: May 2010
Position: Baja Vermont
Posts: 5,178
Default

If those "thousands of seasoned ATPs" return to the 121 world, it won't be at regionals. It'll be at the major/legacy or top-flight Gen Av operators just because of being seasoned.

GF
galaxy flyer is offline  
Old 09-04-2014, 10:53 AM
  #35  
Moderator
 
Cubdriver's Avatar
 
Joined APC: May 2006
Position: ATP, CFI etc.
Posts: 6,056
Default

Originally Posted by galaxy flyer View Post
If those "thousands of seasoned ATPs" return to the 121 world, it won't be at regionals. It'll be at the major/legacy or top-flight Gen Av operators just because of being seasoned.

GF
And jump over the entire crop of experienced, currently working regional pilots? I can't see the shadow pilot community (yes thousands) coming back to the flying biz at all. They worked, they left, they're gone for good. That doesn't mean a shortage of workers will ever be felt at the regionals either. We still get regular rumors here that even the lowest bottom feeder can fill classes each month.
Cubdriver is offline  
Old 09-04-2014, 11:40 AM
  #36  
Gets Weekends Off
 
slumav505's Avatar
 
Joined APC: Mar 2010
Position: EMB-145 CA
Posts: 456
Default

Originally Posted by Aksleddriver View Post
Slumav505, it gets better, the log book was last seen at the flight school, I used for my atp, the examiner gave it back to the front desk, noticing I had left it on his desk, so my 8710 matches my current book, bottom line is if there was a real shortage the regionals would be this picky, now keep in mind not all are.
I have my old 141 records at my house, and had the chief pilot sign an affidavit that my time there was accurate. I printed my rental receipts and have them down stairs as well. Now that i have more than I need it's not a huge issue. This happened right around 200 hours. After that is when I went digital. I just switched to LogTen. I can just print a logbook from there.
slumav505 is offline  
Old 09-04-2014, 12:03 PM
  #37  
Gets Weekends Off
 
Joined APC: Jan 2009
Posts: 381
Default

Originally Posted by brianb View Post
Yepper. Just look at TSA in the early 90s.
The TSA was created as part of the Aviation and Transportation Security Act, sponsored by Don Young in the United States House of Representatives[2] and Ernest Hollings in the Senate,[3] passed by the 107th U.S. Congress, and signed into law by President George W. Bush on November 19, 2001. Originally part of the United States Department of Transportation, the TSA was moved to the Department of Homeland Security on March 9, 2003.
BizPilot is offline  
Old 09-04-2014, 12:05 PM
  #38  
Gets Weekends Off
 
Joined APC: Jul 2013
Posts: 4,688
Default

Originally Posted by BizPilot View Post
The TSA was created as part of the Aviation and Transportation Security Act, sponsored by Don Young in the United States House of Representatives[2] and Ernest Hollings in the Senate,[3] passed by the 107th U.S. Congress, and signed into law by President George W. Bush on November 19, 2001. Originally part of the United States Department of Transportation, the TSA was moved to the Department of Homeland Security on March 9, 2003.
^^^^^ ha ha, you're funny.
John Carr is offline  
Old 09-05-2014, 12:02 PM
  #39  
Gets Weekends Off
 
atpcliff's Avatar
 
Joined APC: Mar 2007
Position: Capt
Posts: 3,215
Default

The better market forecasters do not predict a pilot shortage in the next ten to twenty years.
Boeing and Airbus do not agree with you. They are VERY worried about a shortage. That is why Boeing was very big at EAA with the rollout of their new pilot training system via Jeppesen, to train pilots for the non-American airlines (it does not train guys thru the ATP, so that is why they are targeting non-American airlines).

Just talked to a new-hire who came from Horizon. I also thought that Horizon was doing good for staffing. She said the staffing situation was critical there-very short.

Many people do not see the shortage, no surprise there.

For guys at regionals that want to leave, and are having trouble getting to a higher paying job, I recommend looking overseas. There are LOTS of high paying jobs begging for pilots.

My airline (Atlas) has reduced their minimums four times in the last 4 years. Why would they do that, if there are massive numbers of excess pilots?

My prediction for the future is that the majors will hire guys off the street, with 0 pilot experience (or very little, like only a PPL), or they will either loan money to people to complete their training, or they will guarantee the loans for people to complete their training.
atpcliff is offline  
Old 09-05-2014, 12:13 PM
  #40  
Working weekends
 
satpak77's Avatar
 
Joined APC: Jul 2005
Position: Left Seat
Posts: 2,384
Default

Boeing and Airbus, like Kenworth, need to sell machines. Good economy or not, if no drivers exist for their machines, they are kinda f-ed. So the non-USA places, it may serve to "generate awareness" of a lack of pilots.

Again, shortage of applicants at the USA majors or highly-desired corporate departments (Union Pacific, USAA, etc) ? Not gonna happen.
satpak77 is offline  
Related Topics
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
Opus
Major
46
04-04-2008 09:47 PM
Oldfreightdawg
Major
1
03-03-2008 06:43 PM
jelloy683
Major
9
08-03-2007 01:05 PM
jelloy683
Regional
3
08-02-2007 04:03 PM
aerospacepilot
Regional
59
07-01-2007 04:57 PM

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On



Your Privacy Choices