Regional: JUMPSEAT WAR NEAR
 

That's what the whipsaw will do. STOP IT NOW!

www.stopthewhipsaw.com

I think 99.99% of people will not deny a jumpseat just because of what ****ing airline they work for.

Regional: JUMPSEAT WAR NOT NEAR

This is a great idea.
Everyone who plans on doing this post your name and airline so we can all get behind you.

Create all the websites you want. It will never end as long as
1) Pilots are airlines are willing to vote in concessions for upgrades/planes
2) Pilots are willing to go to Regional airlines to work for $21/hr and a 4 year pay scale.

Hard to follow when you don't even have current reps listed in the contacts.

...never been denied(yet) but I did have the republic flight attendant talk sh*t the whole flight on how they're taking over most of eagle's flights and in the process of moving into NYC and MIA !!!

You'd better hope not, backstabber...

We all know who YOU work for. And the point is that you WON'T be riding behind us.

I notice an inordinate number of PSA'ers popping up here. I wonder why...

Anybody who would deny anybody a ride just because of who they work for is basically a horrible person.

don't even work at a regional. The fact that people think something is going to happen is pretty entertaining.

shh....
they are tough keyboard warriors.

Anybody that would vote for concessions(while their parent company is making all time record profits), in this profession is basically a horrible person!

I actually don't work for PSA or any of the regionals in question. I'm just basically a nice guy, and don't hate everybody who doesn't do exactly as I think they should do.

Oh another jumpseat war?? Just like the last one, the guys who live in base and don't have to commute refuse the jumpseat screwing their own fellow co-workers who have to commute to work on another carrier. "Your company didn't let me ride so I'm not letting you ride" while the guy not letting people in the jumpseat drives 20 mins home.

Well you are dodging the true issues by making it something it's not. This isn't just "hey, I don't like xxx airline, no ride for you." It's more like "the overwhelming majority of your pilots laid the framework for the destruction if my career and livelihood"

I personally hate jumpseat wars, or the threat of it. With that being said, don't try and diminish the responsibility that PSA pilots do play in this.

I have been doing this for awhile now, everyone raised hell.

Bunch of hypocrites.

I'm not dodging anything, and I am very well informed on the issues at hand. However, by your theory(or at least those suggesting it), people are saying that denying jumpseaters is their way of solving the problem or getting even with them. This is not the way to solve the problem, and if getting "even" is your objective...that's just immature and childish.

The Stop the Whipsaw guy is in ground school at Southwest. Zzzzz.

Haha. Again you try and play it into something it isn't. It isn't about "getting even". It's closer to "actions have consequences".

There is no "getting even" because you can't equate 1 side losing their planes to another side not getting a ride.

Again, I don't fly for a regional and don't advocate any jumpseat war. But if an Envoy Captain doesn't feel like offering a ride to a pilot of an airline that will benefit, and played a roll in, his/her demise, that's their decision to make solely. Not for you, I or anyone else to sit on the sideline and say "you are childish".

Oh for ****'s sake. I almost never post, but read a lot here to keep a finger on the pulse of opinions. This thread right here is already or is going to become the highlight reel of why we have some of the problem that we do.

The truth of the matter is, the mainlines employ social engineering scientists to predict what combination of threats/carrots could be reasonably expected to achieve the lowest cost based on the specific demographics of the pilot groups. I'm sure most have heard of "big data/metadata" work google and facebook does for advertising purposes; your big companies with big labor costs do the same thing on a smaller scale.

Infighting/exfighting is what they want! All it really does is create more data so they can get just a little bit better at tightening the screws. Denying jumpseats is just prejudicial and petty because there are no 100% votes, and the old days of applying pressure on the group so they'll go out and break the kneecaps of the sellouts are gone.

If you're a "let's get ours and pull up the ladder," then shame on you, but you probably wouldn't care about my opinion anyway.

If you punish an entire group because of their majority vote, then you fit the definition of a biased bigot.

If you feel like your calling in life was to instigate animosity instead of fostering solutions by starting threads like these, you might as well exchange your line-pilot card for a management badge, because you have become part of the problem.

You voted, you chose your path. 50-100k per year flying at a regional while you wait for your number to come up at AA isn't enough? The PSA guys had lives and careers to think about to and I'm sure yours was not high on their list. Easier to find a job when you have one. After the furlough and people desperately need jobs at least PSA and PDT will be hiring

Seriously guys, jumpseat karma is REAL. If you don't want to get home to see your kids or like me make my tee time the next day then don't play this game. Denying another pilot a ride home because of who he works for and the way a majority of pilots of that group voted is shameful. I have never thought ONCE about denying my jumpseat to anybody, and I have had almost every regional sit up front with me.

To date I have denied 11 jumpseats to PSA pilots. I even bid to make sure I fly into their hubs just in the hopes of having such an occasion. Don't play the "get home to families" card on us. You raped Eagle and the rest of the industry once already and just did it again today. The joy I derive in giving a little of it back to you scumbags is boundless.

This guy for president.

*doublebrofist*

If you'll entertain an honest question... I haven't been around long enough to know: what were the circumstances of the previous time?

You were bullied as a child, weren't you? Vertically challenged, perhaps? Sounds like Napoleon Syndrome.

You two clowns remind me of Jim Carey and Jeff Daniels.

Keep up the good work!!

I don't work as a pilot at a regional, as a matter of fact I'm only a fresh commercial pilot. But I did work in station management for a long time, and nothing good came from denying jumpseats.

The envoy pilots will one day need a PSA jumpseat, there is probably Envoy crews that use PSA at this very moment to go home and see their families.

Also think of newly hired Envoy and PSA pilots who have no bone in the fight because they are brand new to the industry. Are they at fault too? Of course not, people need to go home, and see their families, why would you take that away from someone?

I would not go work for PSA if I wanted to commute. People should do their homework before contributing to the downward spiral.

I doubt this, very highly.

What airline you work for? You tough enough to tell us. Captain Tough

Not at all. I had a great childhood. QB for my high school and college team. Someday you selfish little scumbags at PSA will get your own. Karma is a beootchhh! In the mean time, I'll enjoy ruining your day, maybe even your week:).

Did you get hit one too many times in the head as a third string QB? What community college has a football team? You must be from Texas.

Don't count on it, I don't commute. However I'll be sure to poke my head up and say "Thanks for the ride guys" after listing as a nonrev in the back.

It's not obvious? I work for the company you screwed over. I work for the company that has such a great name, they made YOU put it on the side of your plane instead of your crappy name. The real sad part is when one of your substandard hires makes CA, and forms a whole substandard crew, and puts one in the dirt, the media will associate us all the same. Rest assured, it will happen.

I have been at Eagle for 20+ years. PSA is not the first selfish airline I have seen in my time. Nothing I enjoy more than looking each one of you in the eye and saying "no jumpseat available for PSA". So yeah.. I am Captain tough guy you selfish little stain on the industry.

We can check that in RES and know you're coming before you show your scumbag heads. Nice try, figure out a new tactic on the walk home.

You, my friend, are why people like me are anti-causal and apathetic. As a commuter, why should I even feel bad for a calculated thug like you. You bid to prey on others like a creeper in an old ice cream truck. You'll get what you deserve...keep playing with fire and I'll just take your ice cream truck away.

"The real sad part is when one of your substandard hires makes CA, and forms a whole substandard crew, and puts one in the dirt, the media will associate us all the same. Rest assured, it will happen."


This is something we should ALL be concerned over, it has the potential to have 10x the impact of Colgan.

Substandard new hires, paired with substandard barely 1,000 hr 121 captains with as little as 12-18 months of real experience has disaster written all over it.

You are going to remove a non-revenue passenger from your(your captain's) acft?

That should go over well with the company.