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09-10-2014 | 07:20 PM
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Originally Posted by RJ Pilot
There you have it envoy guys and gals. FNG's going where 12/4 pay scales are.
The new breed of pilots dont give a turd.
I'm not defending going to PSA at all - but as a new guy did u know that much? I could maybe name 3 regionals when I got hired at Cjc. I was told by pilots from majors to go there for the upgrade. I didn't research any regionals. So I don't fault people for not knowing.
Originally Posted by RJ Pilot
There you have it envoy guys and gals. FNG's going where 12/4 pay scales are.
The new breed of pilots dont give a turd.
I'm not defending going to PSA at all - but as a new guy did u know that much? I could maybe name 3 regionals when I got hired at Cjc. I was told by pilots from majors to go there for the upgrade. I didn't research any regionals. So I don't fault people for not knowing.
09-10-2014 | 07:50 PM
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To the original poster: Do what is best for you, I read that post and aside from a few rambling sentences and some misspelled words, it did make sense coming from the perspective of a new guy who isn't that familiar with what is going on.
I will tell you this though: EVERY regional will go through it's "ups and downs"...5 years ago Pinnacle was growing with -900's and they were quite proud of themselves...now they can't attract anyone, 5 years ago Republic was once "Regional Airline of the Year"...RAH is a train wreck now. In 2011, GoJet was awarded growth CRJ-700s that they underbid from SKYW and ASA and now they're stagnant and those pilots are realizing that perhaps the "quick upgrade" and selling out to "advance their career" might not have been so smart after all. When I was hired at ASA in 2010 it looked like a bad move as the ERJ side of ExpressJet was hiring in DROVES and upgrading in DROVES between 2011-13, while we on the CRJ side went into complete stagnation mode...the fate of XJT as a whole is still undecided...
Point is, EVERY Regional IS and WILL continue to get very hot and very cold, PSA will do the same, it all depends on the timing. They are undoubtedly the best place to go right now due to growth, but as hot as they are now will be as cold as they are in a few years, it is simply the cycle. Just know that there is a chance you get stuck in the right seat, and don't for one second think that just because you've upgraded and are a PIC does that mean that a major will be knocking down your door.
Choosing a regional is like betting at the roulette table, pick a number, place your bet and let the croupier spin the wheel...some win big, some lose big, some win a little, some lose a little and some break even.
Best of luck with your career, be a professional, be considerate of others, do your job with pride and regardless of where you work you'll do just fine.
I will tell you this though: EVERY regional will go through it's "ups and downs"...5 years ago Pinnacle was growing with -900's and they were quite proud of themselves...now they can't attract anyone, 5 years ago Republic was once "Regional Airline of the Year"...RAH is a train wreck now. In 2011, GoJet was awarded growth CRJ-700s that they underbid from SKYW and ASA and now they're stagnant and those pilots are realizing that perhaps the "quick upgrade" and selling out to "advance their career" might not have been so smart after all. When I was hired at ASA in 2010 it looked like a bad move as the ERJ side of ExpressJet was hiring in DROVES and upgrading in DROVES between 2011-13, while we on the CRJ side went into complete stagnation mode...the fate of XJT as a whole is still undecided...
Point is, EVERY Regional IS and WILL continue to get very hot and very cold, PSA will do the same, it all depends on the timing. They are undoubtedly the best place to go right now due to growth, but as hot as they are now will be as cold as they are in a few years, it is simply the cycle. Just know that there is a chance you get stuck in the right seat, and don't for one second think that just because you've upgraded and are a PIC does that mean that a major will be knocking down your door.
Choosing a regional is like betting at the roulette table, pick a number, place your bet and let the croupier spin the wheel...some win big, some lose big, some win a little, some lose a little and some break even.
Best of luck with your career, be a professional, be considerate of others, do your job with pride and regardless of where you work you'll do just fine.
09-10-2014 | 08:20 PM
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09-10-2014 | 08:25 PM
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Simple, because some people didn't get what they want. And these people, when they don't get what they want, act like 2 year olds.
Go with the job at PSA! I turned it down, personally, but there are many pluses to going there. Ignore the idiots on here.
Go with the job at PSA! I turned it down, personally, but there are many pluses to going there. Ignore the idiots on here.
09-11-2014 | 03:07 PM
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Solid advice
09-12-2014 | 12:57 PM
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I have been observing this site for a little over a year now and never had any intention on signing up until now.
All of this hate to PSA has made me want to share with you how is see things from being someone with low time ready to enter into the airline industry.
I have done a ton of research on every regional also so I am pretty familiar with contracts and what is going on everywhere. I have had multiple interview and have 6 offers in which I am very grateful to be able to choose where I'd like to go. The first was with Eagle. The interview was a blast, however everyone there and even now has said stay away and do not go there. The place is shrinking and upgrade is forever so why would I go there? Next was SkyWest, but I live on the east coast and would much like to stay here. Also as some of you know school and ratings were not easy, and with training pay and first year, I would be unable to afford my student loan payments. So not only is this not a wise choice, but it also is not a smart move for me if I wish to not miss a payment. Next was Republic. Every interview I had there were at least 2 Republic guys there tr ting to "get out." On top of everyone saying how bad it is to work there. Plus with no cancellation pay, I chose to not go there. Then we have Mesa. Quick phone call and I had the offer. But as stated before, I have student loans and I couldn't afford to go there and suffer for that first year or two. Quick upgrade sounds awesome, but it can't rely on that. I also intviewed with Express and the interview itself made up my mind. 8 hours there with only an hour actually doing something. The other 7 were sitting in the cafeteria, the two interviewers seemed like they hated life and didn't wanna be there, and every pilot walking by said do not come here. I got the offer but am in a hiring pool. Then I applied at PSA. Like most of you, I was completely against it given there rep on taking concessions. But they explained the contract and scheduling to me a bit more and I actually being to think this was it. A pay I could survive on, scheduling that I can make work for getting time off when I want. A decent upgrade, and a growing company. So I have a place where I don't have to commute, where upgrade is decent, and where I will personally have a pretty good QOL. I wanted to go to Eagle, but at this time PSA is the best place A new hire can go. I really do feel bade for Eagle/Envoy, and I understand why you would hate the PSA pilots who said yes. But PSA is growing so fast and some of our careers can't take us continuing to instruct in piston airplanes while everyone else "takes a stand." I need to start getting 121 and turbine time. So my question is how is it that every PSA pilot a scumbag? After all my research and waiting and everything, this is the best place to go right now. To take the vote of a few a while back out on all of these new hires go in got an airline that really is the best place as of now is just ridiculous. And to think that pilots will despise me because I chose a place where I could enjoy living in base and have a good QOL like THEY SUGGESTED is absurd. I just want y'all to take a second and see it from a new 121 pilots view, and quit this petty bickering. This is the best thing for me, why hate me for it?
All of this hate to PSA has made me want to share with you how is see things from being someone with low time ready to enter into the airline industry.
I have done a ton of research on every regional also so I am pretty familiar with contracts and what is going on everywhere. I have had multiple interview and have 6 offers in which I am very grateful to be able to choose where I'd like to go. The first was with Eagle. The interview was a blast, however everyone there and even now has said stay away and do not go there. The place is shrinking and upgrade is forever so why would I go there? Next was SkyWest, but I live on the east coast and would much like to stay here. Also as some of you know school and ratings were not easy, and with training pay and first year, I would be unable to afford my student loan payments. So not only is this not a wise choice, but it also is not a smart move for me if I wish to not miss a payment. Next was Republic. Every interview I had there were at least 2 Republic guys there tr ting to "get out." On top of everyone saying how bad it is to work there. Plus with no cancellation pay, I chose to not go there. Then we have Mesa. Quick phone call and I had the offer. But as stated before, I have student loans and I couldn't afford to go there and suffer for that first year or two. Quick upgrade sounds awesome, but it can't rely on that. I also intviewed with Express and the interview itself made up my mind. 8 hours there with only an hour actually doing something. The other 7 were sitting in the cafeteria, the two interviewers seemed like they hated life and didn't wanna be there, and every pilot walking by said do not come here. I got the offer but am in a hiring pool. Then I applied at PSA. Like most of you, I was completely against it given there rep on taking concessions. But they explained the contract and scheduling to me a bit more and I actually being to think this was it. A pay I could survive on, scheduling that I can make work for getting time off when I want. A decent upgrade, and a growing company. So I have a place where I don't have to commute, where upgrade is decent, and where I will personally have a pretty good QOL. I wanted to go to Eagle, but at this time PSA is the best place A new hire can go. I really do feel bade for Eagle/Envoy, and I understand why you would hate the PSA pilots who said yes. But PSA is growing so fast and some of our careers can't take us continuing to instruct in piston airplanes while everyone else "takes a stand." I need to start getting 121 and turbine time. So my question is how is it that every PSA pilot a scumbag? After all my research and waiting and everything, this is the best place to go right now. To take the vote of a few a while back out on all of these new hires go in got an airline that really is the best place as of now is just ridiculous. And to think that pilots will despise me because I chose a place where I could enjoy living in base and have a good QOL like THEY SUGGESTED is absurd. I just want y'all to take a second and see it from a new 121 pilots view, and quit this petty bickering. This is the best thing for me, why hate me for it?
09-12-2014 | 01:58 PM
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People like him is what gives this business a bad rap.
You don't own a jumpseat to start with..I would never purposely hinder a man from getting to home or work based on childish animosity towards a specific company. That's just inmature and unprofessional to me.Youre a real class act.Just remember what goes around comes around.
You don't own a jumpseat to start with..I would never purposely hinder a man from getting to home or work based on childish animosity towards a specific company. That's just inmature and unprofessional to me.Youre a real class act.Just remember what goes around comes around.
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