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Brand X 09-27-2014 07:41 AM


Originally Posted by USMCmech (Post 1735477)
The purpose of the 1500 hour rule was to kill Gulfstream and the "0 time to Airline pilot in 12 months" puppy mills.

That's why you will see MPL here before too long.

Rnav 09-27-2014 07:42 AM


Originally Posted by USMCmech (Post 1735477)
The purpose of the 1500 hour rule was to kill Gulfstream and the "0 time to Airline pilot in 12 months" puppy mills.

Gulfstream may be gone, but that didn't hurt/help the industry at all. The 1500 hr rule is a joke. The only thing that matters is PAY. Getting paid in sunsets doesn't mean anything.

If anything the zero to hero mills now have a supply of CFI's now that people need to build hours. So in that essence, the flightschools benefited because they now have people working for them who would have fled to an RJ job after getting their wet COMMs a couple years ago.

PURPOSE OF 1500HR RULE = make public feel good with no benefit to pilots.

Brand X 09-27-2014 07:51 AM


Originally Posted by rickair7777 (Post 1735532)
That wasn't the purpose, although it may be a consequence. GL and GIA may be done, but I doubt the puppy mills are going anywhere, they'll still be able to suck enough people in. They'll offer CFI jobs to their grads (at least one hour/month guaranteed!) and zero-to-ATP time building programs for the well-heeled. The good news is that while starry-eyed wannabe skygods would instantly sign up for the $180K loan needed to go direct from zero to regional FO, no lender in his right mind would go for that, so the latter option will be available only if daddy can cover down.

I think MPL would be a viable option for US regionals. I think universities like Riddle should develop a MPL program to be used in conjunction with a EtD type program. They could call it Riddle to Delta, or RtD. The candidate would get a 4 yr. degree and a ERJ-170 type rating. They would have to go through a real Delta interview before being accepted into the program and upon graduation, they would go fly at a partnered regional for a few years for some seasoning and then go directly to Delta with no further screening required.

This would alleviate the regional pilot shortage while giving the majors a steady supply of pre-screened candidates with the proper type of experience.

Now, before you write and tell me how expensive the above would be, and it would be expensive, they could institute a means test for funding. Meaning that if the candidate and/or the candidate's parents have enough money themselves, then they would have to self-fund 100% of the program, sliding down a scale to 100% funded by the government and/or the airline themselves.

Captain Tony 09-27-2014 08:13 AM


Originally Posted by Is offline (Post 1735294)
He did not hold the yoke back! He got the shaker and added about 15% power. He got the pusher and he fought the pusher 3 separate times. He also never increased the power over 60%..... The Q400 would have very easily powered out of the stall had he just went to max power, but we all know how it ended.

They would have easily powered out of it at 100% if she hadn't raised the flaps, uncommanded. Fatigue.

BlueMoon 09-27-2014 08:30 AM


Originally Posted by Captain Tony (Post 1735583)
They would have easily powered out of it at 100% if she hadn't raised the flaps, uncommanded. Fatigue.

While raising the flaps didn't help, If he stopped pulling back on the yoke when the shaker and then pusher came on they would have recovered.

That is private/commercial pilot 101 there, at the buffet lower AOA, everything else is secondary. You can add all the power you want, but if you don't reduce AOA you will still stall.

Captain Tony 09-27-2014 08:37 AM


Originally Posted by BlueMoon (Post 1735590)
While raising the flaps didn't help, If he stopped pulling back on the yoke when the shaker and then pusher came on they would have recovered.

That is private/commercial pilot 101 there, at the buffet lower AOA, everything else is secondary. You can add all the power you want, but if you don't reduce AOA you will still stall.

I know it feels good to attack the poor decisions of dead pilots, while trying to make yourself seem smart, but are you familiar with the power to weight ratio of a Q400? He could have accelerated out of it easily. also, as previously discussed, he didn't hold the yoke to his chest the whole time, he was fighting the pusher (a common mistake). And I'm not the one saying it, experts are. google is ur friend.

FlyJSH 09-27-2014 10:01 AM


Originally Posted by Captain Tony (Post 1735599)
but are you familiar with the power to weight ratio of a Q400?

Roughly the same as a Yokosuka D4Y, and only a little better than other WWII dive bombers. Accelerated stalls were all too common in them.


Originally Posted by BlueMoon (Post 1735590)
That is private/commercial pilot 101 there, at the buffet lower AOA, everything else is secondary. You can add all the power you want, but if you don't reduce AOA you will still stall.


Cruz5350 09-27-2014 10:16 AM

Even with the flaps retracting they coulda powered out of it had he gone full power.

bedrock 09-27-2014 10:33 AM

This thread is going full retard.

DMEarc 09-27-2014 10:39 AM


Originally Posted by gojo (Post 1735042)
My point exactly, the real negligence here is lies with the FAA. How in the world did they get away with it?

Get away with what exactly?

With allowing a pilot who lied about check ride failures into the left seat of an airliner?


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