I tend to agree with you.

It needs to be known that that she did was eerily similar to crew room banter in regard to tail stalls that I had heard at Pinnacle the winter prior to the CJC accident.

He did not hold the yoke back! He got the shaker and added about 15% power. He got the pusher and he fought the pusher 3 separate times. He also never increased the power over 60%..... The Q400 would have very easily powered out of the stall had he just went to max power, but we all know how it ended.

Holy political debate on APC Batman!!!!

You guys just got to learn to chill out. First off I never said I hated the 1,500 hr. rule, just wanted clarification. Secondly, I never went to ATP nor plan on going for that matter. Thirdly, I don't have 200K in student debt. I have no idea how some of you came to that conclusion.

For those that don't like this thread, guess what? You actually don't have to post anything and it will go to the bottom of the forum. By posting you create more traffic and therefore more views on this thread keeping it on the 1st page of the forum longer. So...congratulations, you shot yourself on the foot on that one. I really thought there would be more professionalism on forum sites like this...

For those that actually answered the question sincerely, I thank you! I appreciate your feedback.

Good point I think it needs to also be explained that the biggest mistake before the stall and what some will say poor airmanship was the pilots lack of understanding how the Ice speed switch work. For the q400 when the airplane was in icing conditions the crew was required to put a switch on that increased the speed that one would get the stall indication. When one had this switch on they were also required to increase the vref speeds by 20 knots also. The crew had the wrongs speeds set. The crew was on profile flying the aircraft like they should be but because the switch was on got the stall indication at a higher speed so he was not ready and his lack of readies is what led to the unfortunate incident. What is not really mentioned is that this very same situation happen the very next day after the crash where the crew forgot that the speed switch was on and bug the wrongs speeds and got the stick shaker but lucky a check airman was on board in the jump seat. The 1500 hour rule just like far 117 would not have prevented the crash. You still have pilots commuting across the country for work, you still have people sleeping in crew rooms what has change nothing. The only airline that has do e anything to make sure their pilots are well rested before a trip is commute air who gives people hotels the night before a trip.

That just explains your level of knowledge. I hope you never get a tail stall. There is a good chance you have never heard of one.

Well now you know why when people talk about one seniority list you know why that'll never happen. Pilots can't even have a discussion about the 1500hr rule without tearing each other apart, lol.

Regardless whether someone supports or hates the 1500hr rule it has not raised pay. That in the end is all that matters. Pilots can care about experience and all that, but the public really doesn't. If they did they would be willing to pay alot more for tickets to increase your pay.

It sure doesn't help that the TSA goes around groping people making the flying experience fun <sarcasm>. Security groping, grumpy FA's and Airlines nickel and diming passengers to death make for a customer base that has no desire to help fuel your desire to make a liveable wage as a pilot.

You do realize the new rules allow for a restricted atp with 200 hours cross country, right? Reaching 200 with 1500 tt as an instructor shouldn't be a problem.

The purpose of the 1500 hour rule was to kill Gulfstream and the "0 time to Airline pilot in 12 months" puppy mills.

No, oh wise experienced one, please explain it to me then explain how a misdiagnosis is a legit excuse for a crash….

That wasn't the purpose, although it may be a consequence. GL and GIA may be done, but I doubt the puppy mills are going anywhere, they'll still be able to suck enough people in. They'll offer CFI jobs to their grads (at least one hour/month guaranteed!) and zero-to-ATP time building programs for the well-heeled. The good news is that while starry-eyed wannabe skygods would instantly sign up for the $180K loan needed to go direct from zero to regional FO, no lender in his right mind would go for that, so the latter option will be available only if daddy can cover down.