Crazy movement at ASA...
 

Recent captain Awards within the last 2 months at ASA...

57 CR200
32 CR700
10 ATR

I'm not a cheerleader for ASA in any way...however I think there are way worse places to work.

Something must be going on for all of these upgrades. If someone says it's to replace the guys leaving for other jobs I believe that is incorrect. We are already way over staffed on the CR200 captains.

Yes, I know we are getting 12 CR700's from Cinci. (If we didn't get them someone else would have...sorry guys). Skywest stole 8 of our 70's so a gain of 4 70's does not require this massive upgrade amount.

A brief history of my career at ASA...
EMB-120 upgrade 1.5yrs
Could have done the ATR just under 3 yrs.
CR200 upgrade 3.5yrs
CR700 upgrade 6yrs 1 month 10 days.

Yes, I'll be reserve forever... But I will not be at ASA forever :)

I have no idea about the contract... It will be done when the company wants it to be done. I'm not going to predict anything. I do know the quality of life for reserve will be 10 times better without going into detail.

Hope this helps clear up some B.S. posted on here about ASA.

Skywest did not "steal" your 700's, they "bought" them and it makes no sense to operate two bases in SLC. I grew up there BTW...SKW has been around as long as I have, but I don't seem to remember ASA...

But of course you guys didn't "steal" COMAIR's flying...I suppose it was a christmas gift that their MEC voted to give to ASA?

Tool.

Tool?

Ouch, I see another hate thread happening.

Junior FOs still going to Los Angeles?

Are you the same tacky SOB that wanted to compare W2s a while back?

-LAFF

R U an idiot? SKW Inc. allocated 8 of the RFP CJ7's to ASA. You can be sure that if and when SKW Inc is awarded the F9 CJ7’s that ASA pilots will be at the controls.

Also, unless I was mistaken, SKW bought ASA. To the best of my knowledge that means they own ASA, THE JETS BELONG TO SKW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! All of ASA's assets belong to SKW Inc.

SKW Inc. is not stealing anything; they are adjusting BOTH airlines in order to create a better company. It may seem that SKW is benefiting from ASA but Jerry has a plan, we just have to wait and see. Don't forget that Jerry has been running SKW for over 34 years, SUCCESSFULLY! SKW has never furloughed and has posted 32 of 34 years in the black. The only two years in the red, year 1 in 72 and 82, that’s 24 strait years of profit! IMPRESSIVE, you can’t deny that.

So, stop your B*I*T*C*H*I*N*G and be happy that your company is now run by a man with a history of absolute success.

Good point. ASA is a better place because of SKW.

Now if they could just agree on a new contract.

I agree! They need a new TA. BUT, they won't get much of an improvement when it comes to hourly wages; they are already above industry average.

Jerry knows how to keep his airline well oiled so he won't let his labor groups drain the company, but he will do what he can to make sure our pay is well above average with excellent QOL. I'm sure their new TA will mostly be QOL.

Even if you look at Mgmnt here at SKW, they aren't the highest paid. BUT they, unlike they’re labor groups, are below industry average. Jerry could pay himself more, after all he deserves it, but he is modest and want's his company to succeed. Unlike J.O.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not a Jerry cheerleader, I just give credit where credit is due.

I'm curious why you are so sure SkyWest will win the Frontier 70 seat flying. Republic already got that RFP, with their 170's.

Frontier is has placed an order for 10 Q400's with options for another 10. They intend on awarding the operation to a regional airline.

http://www.sbac.co.uk/community/cms/...sp?i=12953&t=0

Acutally Jet Jock the F9 flying was awarded to Republic Airwars 2 days ago they are going to use 17 170s in march. Its official no rumour was on a press release and everything

And the Q400's, I haven't heard of them canceling the orders.

the q400s are the planes that Lynx is going to get

Aaaaah! I see!

Its easy to be profitable when your fee-for-departure contracts guarantee profitability:rolleyes:

Explain that to Mesa. SKW didn't have code shares until the LATE 80's, that's 14+ years of profitable "At Risk" flying. After SKW picked up their first code share most of their flying was still "At Risk" until the 90's. Today all of our flying isn't fee-for-departure, we still do a good amount of "At Risk" flying for a regional with code shares.

I don't think anyone had code shares until the mid-late 80's. AWAC actually pioneered the concept of code sharing, after operating as a standalone carrier from 1965 - 1982(?). Of course, as with anything, once UAL touched it in the mid-90's it's been downhill from there. :mad:

This fee-for-departure stuff is also relatively new. I wouldn't be surprised if it slowly went away either, it's just too much of a drain on the mainline carrier.

One thing SkyWest does that I like is their "SkyShip" freight service. I had no idea that they even offered that. That's a smart way to increase revenue for sure.

The great thing about public companies is you can use capital raised from shareholders to stick your neck out a little and put money into growing the business. Private companies generally are much more conservative, because it's the owners money at stake. Knowing this, I think I would've preferred to come to a publicly held airline vs. privately held, especially in today's environment.

The flying was put out for bid... Nobody just gives us their jets and flying. Delta controls the flying not the MEC or Skywest or ASA.

But thanks for your history lesson on SLC. Apparently you should have been in Delta managment and informed them of the bad idea a few years ago.

Where do you work again??? ASA has not changed for the better... All we hear about is Jerry Jerry Jerry. Where is he??? Absent. Send him out to ASA to take a peek. Why has he not implemented any changes at ASA? Why has he not kicked ASA management in the ass about the contract?

ASA is not better.

I think you'll change your mind about that after some time has passed, and the current negotiations are long forgotten. Maybe I'm wrong, but I don't think so.

Dude, seriously...
I have read your posts since way before I joined this board. You are the biggest cheerleader of any company I have ever seen. ****, you prob have a pic of Jerry in your wallet. That's cool. I'm glad you love your company and it's leader.

I'm glad everyone else in this board thinks they know what is going on at ASA... At least you guys think you know... Just because you know a guy that dates a flight att. that has a roommate that used to screw an ASA guy does not make you guys experts on our contract. Everyone seems to think all we want is a fat paycheck... Well, yes we do but that's not all. It seems other airlines have set the bar low. So, yes kiss the fat paycheck away. You guys bash our pay rates for FO's now. Well, no **** it sucks!!! We try to raise it and we get bashed for that... WTF? Should you not want us to raise the bar for the rest of you??? Brain washed by quality of life??? Crazy. That doesn't pay my rent. I don't have a daddy at Delta paying my bills. We have to make a contract that will last the next 4-5yrs plus 4-5yrs of negotiations as history shows. Way back when I was getting 19/hr I was doing ok. **** was cheaper...rent...gas..food...strippers...etc. Not now. So, yea we need money now plus quality of life. Not one or the other.
The "stole" was a joke... Notice I didn't focus on it and spend six lines on talking about it.
The "sorry guys" was for our Comair friends. It sucks I know.

This isn't my first job like most of you. I had to do a lot of ****ty jobs before I got here. I worked for my job and didn't buy it from some academy. So, I have a unique view of my job and how much compensation I deserve. Most of you went from 172 to jet. So yes 19-22/hr rules. When you have been here for years and you have a family that pay rate sucks...when your 9-5er friends make twice what you do for 1/2 the work...that sucks.

Jetjock is high on Jerryaid. BTW the name Jetjock is misleading don't you fly the E-120. And yes I'll play the w-2 game if someone likes.........

I know that because of your contract negotiations not going the way you like, you guys will naturally villianize Jerry Atkin, Ron Reber and whole crew at the top of SkyWest. But you WILL be better off in the end. Will you suddenly be making the kind of money we ALL should be making. No absolutely not, and that sucks, but that's the nature of the beast at the moment. I will have to go to mainline in order to be paid what I think we all deserve. But you could be negotiating with the likes of Jerry Orstein or Hulas Konodia (sp?) so it could be a whole lot worse. You are way more likely to get something decent from JA than just about anyone else. So yes your contract is taking too long, and from what I understand it has more to do with your own ASA management and little to do with SkyWest INC. I believe it's more or less JA's in active involvement that your upset about. But put your swords away, give it time, SkyWest hasn't been in charge there very long, and I think you'll be happIER than you were before with Delta in charge. Think of it like this, Delta still runs Comair, and I don't think things are going well over there.

Btw, in reference to a few posts ago about Frontier/Republic, I haven't actually been able to find that press release, anybody know where it is?

Don't forget ALL the bro flying out of Slc is at-risk too.

If you are referring to the Q400's with Lynx it's common knowledge. I don't know where the press release about republic is, but I remember reading the article.

No I was definetily referring to the republic/frontier announcement. I just noticed that it isn't listed on either Frontier's page or Republic's page here on APC. So I was curious about where I could find the release.

edited to add: There's no press release on the official Republic Airways website either.

There were some excited Republic pilots that posted their companies new bid sheet opening up Denver for EMB-170 CA's and FO's. I think it was 17 aircraft. It's all internal, or was supposed to be, for now.

Oh I see, by "at risk" you mean EAS. I wouldn't consider that "at risk", but that's just me. Mesa, Colgan, and Region's Air do the same thing.

JerryAid, sure, I bulk bought a skid at Costco.

I have two business degrees and 5 years of experience with Sherwin-Williams as a sales rep. I understand how hard it is to succeed with the level of success that JA as acquired. I give him his props and I expect the future to be bright for both ASA and SKW.

As for JetJock, I've got 37 hours in an L-39. I know that’s not much but you’re definitely a “Jet Jock” when you’re in one, at least more so then in an RJ.

Costco huh I will have to look for some next time I'm there.

I looked up the L-39 looks like fun, you're right 37 hrs not much time, but hey you do have jet time so I digress.

see ya in Costco JJ16

BTW the Frontier flying has not been officially announced. Until you see it on their web site believe nothing. It is all a little fishy.
The rapid change in ASA out look is fairly interesting. There is no way that all of this is coming from a few 70's. My question is what it the next big announcement that will make sense of all of this?

No its not EAS

Its at risk. Under the skywest brand.

Delta will be making an annoucement real soon. They will announce that they will be lowing the retirement age to 55(bankruptcy judge will allow this), thus requiring them to shift more flying to the regional level. Let the regionals bare the cost of training. ASA will be flying CRJ 900s to cover the flying. Theroy, all theroy.

G I like that one.

Your company's most recent annual report disagrees with you.

Delta Codeshare Info:

United Codeshare Info:

According to the annual report, you had 62 Bro's, and all of them are operated under a fee for departure setup with Delta or United.

In addition, I cannot purchase a ticket on SkyWest AiIrlines, like I can purchase a ticket on Mesa (Air Midwest) or Go!. It would defy logic that SkyWest would operate a stand alone operation ("at risk") and not sell tickets, wouldn't it?

Next.

[ **** was cheaper...rent...gas..food...strippers...etc.

I love ASA pilots and im proud to be be one. If I worked for Skywest I guess the the line would go- "gosh stuff was cheaper...church...wife#1...wife#2...#wife3...shoe s made of wood...etc."

Shoes made of wood?

Are you just ignorant or just plain stupid?

How about plates in a mountain?

Are you just ignorant or just plain stupid?

There are shoes made of wood here in Holland. What the heck is your avatar picture ???

I'm not ignt. or stupid, just hungover.