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Nevets 10-05-2014 04:45 AM

LASA......

Captain Tony 10-05-2014 05:45 AM

No need to speculate. SkyWest Inc is taking them. And 12 new 900s too.

evilboy 10-05-2014 06:24 AM

Hope I'm wrong, but me thinks you're about to get Comaired. Good luck kids.

T773ER 10-05-2014 07:40 AM


Originally Posted by Captain Tony (Post 1740497)
No need to speculate. SkyWest Inc is taking them. And 12 new 900s too.

SkyWest Inc exclusive to SkyWest, or will Lasa receive some as well?

JoeMerchant 10-05-2014 08:29 AM


Originally Posted by DENpilot (Post 1740256)
He doesn't and he's pulling **** out of his arse. XJT management has said that they don't receive final schedules from DL until about 5 weeks prior.

Get back to studying your Mesa manuals junior....This doesn't concern you anymore.....

motormadness 10-05-2014 09:17 AM


Originally Posted by T773ER (Post 1740547)
SkyWest Inc exclusive to SkyWest, or will Lasa receive some as well?


Considering Tony is part of the CNC and signed an agreement to not disclose these types of things, he's either lying or doesn't care if he gets fired.


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Bozo 10-05-2014 09:26 AM


Originally Posted by motormadness (Post 1740584)
Considering Tony is part of the CNC and signed an agreement to not disclose these types of things, he's either lying or doesn't care if he gets fired.


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You have no idea what the details are of the CA he signed.

Nantonaku 10-05-2014 10:10 AM


Originally Posted by Captain Tony (Post 1740497)
No need to speculate. SkyWest Inc is taking them. And 12 new 900s too.

12 new 900's? What is this all about, reportedly Delta is not getting anymore new RJ's or if they are it will be at mainline (hopefully).

gojo 10-05-2014 10:24 AM


Originally Posted by evilboy (Post 1740511)
Hope I'm wrong, but me thinks you're about to get Comaired. Good luck kids.

Hmmm, that doesn't make a bit of sense. There were two reasons for what happened to Comair, well maybe three. Ok make that four

#1 Comair's stance against a 12 year CA and 4 year FO pay scale with a top heavy seniority list
#2 Delta's inability to sell off Comair because of #1 above and their aging 200 fleet that no one else wanted.
#3 Comair was owned by Delta
#4 RG was their CEO

#3 and #4 are the only two that are similarities between the two. If they Comair Endeavor Delta gets nothing except a tax write off. By getting rid of all 200's and becoming a 900 only fleet it makes Endeavor much more attractive than Comair was to sell off. My Guess, GoJets. Notice I said guess

PCLCREW 10-05-2014 11:01 AM


12th. I think I might get the hang of it after another 50 hours!


Originally Posted by Cruz5350 (Post 1740311)
You've been a 121 pilot for what 3 months and never flown a 200, kinda hard for you to be making that assumption. I'm not defending 200's but they're not that much worse than 7/9's or any piece of junk RJ for that matter.

I've done extensive ground school and sim training in the 200 a few years back, wasn't a big fan. But more than anything, it's older and prone to maintenance problems that make it less reliable. That's all in addition to the fact that it only exists on property so they can pay pilots less.
Wow. This is just classic. Please more posts.

SUX4U 10-05-2014 08:47 PM


Originally Posted by PCLCREW (Post 1740644)
Wow. This is just classic. Please more posts.

I was about to request no more posts for atleast the remainder of his probationary period at Mesa. I'm embarrassed for him!

flapshalfspeed 10-05-2014 09:06 PM


Originally Posted by 121again (Post 1740056)
Just to stir the pot a little more there have been rumors that Mesa has been working on something with Delta. I can't imagine they'd want to get back into the 50 seat game again, but I guess if the price was right...

No one wants 50 seaters. Not even JO.

flapshalfspeed 10-05-2014 09:22 PM


Originally Posted by Cruz5350 (Post 1740311)
You've been a 121 pilot for what 3 months and never flown a 200, kinda hard for you to be making that assumption. I'm not defending 200's but they're not that much worse than 7/9's or any piece of junk RJ for that matter.

I beg to differ, and I've flown 200s/700s/900s for Mesa, and 200s for Endeavor.

Just look at my username as one of many examples of the superior dispatch reliability and performance of the 700/900 versus the 200 :D

Overall, though, you're right--all CRJs leave a bit to be desired. I'm becoming acutely aware of that as I start studying for E175 upgrade at Mesa. Can you say "Flight Level Change"???

wmupilot85 10-06-2014 02:51 AM


Originally Posted by flapshalfspeed (Post 1740891)
Overall, though, you're right--all CRJs leave a bit to be desired. I'm becoming acutely aware of that as I start studying for E175 upgrade at Mesa. Can you say "Flight Level Change"???

That's cool....a year 3 Mesa captain is making as much as me as a year 4 FO. Way to go!

BlueMoon 10-06-2014 03:09 AM


Originally Posted by Past V1 (Post 1740439)
Who ever it is, they won't be cheaper then 9E. So the real question is, why is DAL willing to spend a little extra now for foreseeable extra revenue at a later date? My best guess is to trim the fat at 9E and get someone to fly these worthless tin cans at a contract that can easily cancelled. With all 200's gone, DAL and 9E can streamline and expedite 900 training for a better position going into 2015-2016 flying. Not saying 9E is going to get more planes, just saying it will better to manage routes and scheduling with one type of aircraft. Although flexibility going into different markets will be reduced, it must be DAL plan of sending 9E into normally high capacity routes with less frequency i.e. New York. If they can fill the gap in high demand time slots for business travelers, they can complete with LCC's operating up and down the east coast simply because they have a low cost regional model.
I always see everyone talking about mainline whipsawing regionals around to lower cost, which they have accomplished at 9E...Rock Bottom. Investors don't care much about expense cutting as they do revenue growth. One way (of many) is to capture market share in a growing market with your own low cost model and see if it works. If it doesn't, BYE BYE 9E. Just my take...if your company gets the 200's, consider it a curse rather than blessing because you are not part of the long term business plan at DAL...just a pawn in the chess match.

Except 9e still isn't the cheapest.

gojo 10-06-2014 03:23 AM


Originally Posted by BlueMoon (Post 1740919)
Except 9e still isn't the cheapest.

Well it definitely isn't express jets. I wonder if the powers that be at Delta read these forums? If they do I bet it provides for some very good laughter over there. Some of these post are way out there.

PCLCREW 10-06-2014 04:15 AM



Originally Posted by Cruz5350 (Post 1740311)
You've been a 121 pilot for what 3 months and never flown a 200, kinda hard for you to be making that assumption. I'm not defending 200's but they're not that much worse than 7/9's or any piece of junk RJ for that matter.

I beg to differ, and I've flown 200s/700s/900s for Mesa, and 200s for Endeavor.

Just look at my username as one of many examples of the superior dispatch reliability and performance of the 700/900 versus the 200 :D

Overall, though, you're right--all CRJs leave a bit to be desired. I'm becoming acutely aware of that as I start studying for E175 upgrade at Mesa. Can you say "Flight Level Change"???
You do realize that flight level change is basically the same as speed mode except you have auto thrust instead of pushing into a detent?
You'll find out soon enough that this mighty E-180 isn't what you guys have built it up to be.

flapshalfspeed 10-06-2014 02:02 PM


Originally Posted by wmupilot85 (Post 1740918)
That's cool....a year 3 Mesa captain is making as much as me as a year 4 FO. Way to go!

Since when does 39 dollars equal 67 dollars?

FaceBiter 10-06-2014 02:12 PM

Damn, 67/hr career top out when you realize majors don't hire people with shot backgrounds via a phone interview.

DENpilot 10-06-2014 02:31 PM


Originally Posted by wmupilot85 (Post 1740918)
That's cool....a year 3 Mesa captain is making as much as me as a year 4 FO. Way to go!

That's bull and not even a good troll post. Go away.

DENpilot 10-06-2014 02:33 PM


Originally Posted by FaceBiter (Post 1741207)
Damn, 67/hr career top out when you realize majors don't hire people with shot backgrounds via a phone interview.

I don't know why you aren't banned from these forums, if you're going to stir **** up, at least have your facts straight.

FaceBiter 10-06-2014 02:36 PM


Originally Posted by DENpilot (Post 1741224)
I don't know why you aren't banned from these forums, if you're going to stir **** up, at least have your facts straight.

Whoa dawg, don't get all hostile. I know jumping regionals in search of da holy grail must be frustrating, peace be with you.

Bless,

FB

wmupilot85 10-06-2014 04:53 PM


Originally Posted by DENpilot (Post 1741222)
That's bull and not even a good troll post. Go away.

Really? I'm on track to make $65k this year as a FO.

Not trolling at all.

DENpilot 10-06-2014 05:08 PM


Originally Posted by wmupilot85 (Post 1741324)
Really? I'm on track to make $65k this year as a FO.

Not trolling at all.

Horse hockey. You'd have to be crediting 120 hours a month (which is doable, I have done it myself) to make that much. The same Mesa CA would be making 100K+ with per diem. Your comparison is apples to oranges.

FaceBiter 10-06-2014 05:11 PM


Originally Posted by DENpilot (Post 1741336)
Horse hockey. You'd have to be crediting 120 hours a month (which is doable, I have done it myself) to make that much. The same Mesa CA would be making 100K+ with per diem. Your comparison is apples to oranges.

So you know how much he earns a year?

DENpilot 10-06-2014 05:33 PM


Originally Posted by FaceBiter (Post 1741338)
So you know how much he earns a year?

Jeezus dude, he said how much in his post.

flapshalfspeed 10-06-2014 06:46 PM


Originally Posted by PCLCREW (Post 1740927)
You do realize that flight level change is basically the same as speed mode except you have auto thrust instead of pushing into a detent?
You'll find out soon enough that this mighty E-180 isn't what you guys have built it up to be.

Yes...I do understand that.

Bottom line--I'm really just sick of hunching over on the walk of shame to the aft lav of the 700, and at Mesa existing CRJ CAs are barred from lateral transfer to the EJet, so the EJet will be a junior airplane here for at least the next 4-5 years.

I don't mean to sidetrack your thread--I'm just a former 9e pilot who has come out really well (for now) by finally bailing out of that sinking ship. I hope all of you will find better opportunities than sitting around DTW/JFK on 4th year FO pay in perpetuity--you're better than that (at least the Pinnacle guys I know are!).

elmetal 10-06-2014 07:51 PM


Originally Posted by flapshalfspeed (Post 1741433)
Bottom line--I'm really just sick of hunching over on the walk of shame to the aft lav of the 700


seriously dude? wow.

axialflo 10-07-2014 02:14 AM


Originally Posted by BlueMoon (Post 1740919)
Except 9e still isn't the cheapest.

correct...Skywest is. They wrote a check for $80,000,000 to place 14 aircraft at UA then bid 50% below the lowest bidder in PHX to avoid parking aircraft.

deltajuliet 10-07-2014 09:15 AM

Though I hear that 50-seat contract won't be renewed whenever it's up (now I hear it'll be up in December, keeps changing depending on who I talk to), I wonder about the feasibility of running CRJ7/9's to a place like Flagstaff. Maybe they'll decrease frequency or just put a turboprop on it.

spaaks 10-07-2014 11:42 AM

Delta going back to turboprops? Ha that's funny!!

deltajuliet 10-07-2014 11:50 AM

Sorry, slight detour from the thread topic. That's an Airways PHX contract.

amcnd 10-07-2014 12:00 PM

The way i see it SkyWest has a good staffing bubble with the E120 pilots. And ASA has the XJT pilots to staff all the 9E 200's if needed.. But im guessing 20-30 planes each...

Mesabah 10-07-2014 12:16 PM

I find it ironic that management setup 9E as a revolving door airline, you get the time, then gtfo, and now that they are succeeding in their original 'Endeavor", mgt. is all up in arms about it. Yet, however, fundamentally they changed nothing about how this airline operates, and in most cases made everything worse.

It's like saying, I was going to whip you, and it will be awful, but now that the whip is the one from the Indian Jones movie, you're going to love it.

amcnd 10-07-2014 12:30 PM

The way i see it is they have 9E on a cost nutral base.. The BOD realy doesnt understand why thy cant show them as money making... Because if they do there is no whipsawing the rate reset!! My guess is they know 9E is a short term gap (sorry guys/gals) but history shows Delta uses and discards regionals... Just a mater of time.. Plus Delta wants out of the 200 leases.. They have learned that its a pain to have ASA/SKY/9E hand over a plane then walk away leaving Delta with a bill for storage/return...

Nantonaku 10-07-2014 01:15 PM


Originally Posted by amcnd (Post 1741876)
The way i see it is they have 9E on a cost nutral base.. The BOD realy doesnt understand why thy cant show them as money making... Because if they do there is no whipsawing the rate reset!! My guess is they know 9E is a short term gap (sorry guys/gals) but history shows Delta uses and discards regionals... Just a mater of time.. Plus Delta wants out of the 200 leases.. They have learned that its a pain to have ASA/SKY/9E hand over a plane then walk away leaving Delta with a bill for storage/return...

It is no big surprise Delta wants to get rid of the 200's. As for what the details of the leases are and what happens when they return a plane, do you know the terms of the leases on all the 200's in the Delta fleet? For that matter, I've seen no solid evidence that 9E has anything to do with a rate reset. Didn't someone just post that Skywest is already cheaper than 9E? More to the point, the thread of this title should be "Who will be the unlucky winner of more Delta Flying?" I wouldn't be surprised to see the 200's placed at GoJets only to be placed at 9E 6 months later. That would be par for the course for this industry and Delta/NWA past moves.

Cruz5350 10-07-2014 02:00 PM

I doubt they would go to GoJet. Seems like they want to make this switch happen as fast as possible. LASA and SKW make the most sense since they already operate the 200 and have both MSP and DTW bases. Not excited to see all the shuffling going just chiming in with what I believe is going to happen.

gojo 10-07-2014 02:01 PM


Originally Posted by Nantonaku (Post 1741902)
It is no big surprise Delta wants to get rid of the 200's. As for what the details of the leases are and what happens when they return a plane, do you know the terms of the leases on all the 200's in the Delta fleet? For that matter, I've seen no solid evidence that 9E has anything to do with a rate reset. Didn't someone just post that Skywest is already cheaper than 9E? More to the point, the thread of this title should be "Who will be the unlucky winner of more Delta Flying?" I wouldn't be surprised to see the 200's placed at GoJets only to be placed at 9E 6 months later. That would be par for the course for this industry and Delta/NWA past moves.

It's not only a Delta that wants to get rid of the 200's. Although, they may have set the wheels in motion for other carriers to follow suit. I do tend to agree with the reasons for their unpopularity. And it seems that Skywest is the only one that Likes them. I'm not sure about Air Wisconsin. I do agree with what you say this thread should have been titled. I might even take it a step further and title it "who's going to be unlucky to continue doing contract and work for Delta"? Anyone who does gets beat down to very thin profit margins. You said Delta/NW, I don't think there's any comparison. Maybe that's what you meant

amcnd 10-07-2014 02:31 PM

I know Delta had a deal when they bought the new 900's for 9E that bombardier would asume some of the risk for some of the 200's. Think thats come and gone already.. But likly its someone that already operates the 200's to keep the small fleet of 100-125 of them to serve small communities.... On a short 5-6 year contract. Maybe even prorate...

Cruz5350 10-07-2014 04:52 PM


Originally Posted by amcnd (Post 1741952)
On a short 5-6 year contract. Maybe even prorate...

I bet it's this even more likely it turns into prorate.


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