[QUOTE=AboveAndBeyond;1744290]LIES! :D

They are not interviewing without prior 121 time - haven't for more than a year.[/

Sorry to burst your little bubble that you live in, but it in fact is not a lie.

Whoaa there nellie! To deny the impact of affirmative action is to deny reality. YOU must vote with a certain party that ends with the letters "ic".
Remember, whites are still north of 70% of the US population, so it's only fitting that they should represent most of the slots. Also keeping in mind that aviation is still a "grass roots" organization.
You keep lying to yourself, okay buddy?

Yes, more than two hands worth. What I'm saying is they are getting hired without TPIC...commonly with less than 2000 121 SIC.

But everybody else needs TPIC.

Not debating anyone's sensitivities, just stating the facts observed in my crew room.

Not sure if you've noticed, but aviation is pretty much just old white guys. I'm not even saying there's anything wrong with hiring practices, I'm just saying that if there were these major pushes to hire only under qualified minorities and women over the last 20 years and if all these minorities without PIC were getting hired, the cockpits would something other than chock-stuffed with old white guys.

Hmm, I wonder why I'm still at Silver since I'm such a hot commodity....

Do you have 1000 turbojet SIC?

I know several women and minorities at my previous company, both Captains and FOs, all with thousands of turbine time. Their phones are not ringing. Just because you hear of a few that get in with low time it doesn't mean all of them are and for every low time woman/minority that gets hired there's at least one well connected white guy that got the job with low hours too.

Yessir!

Uncle Hulas Refugee

Well, a guy in my office just got a CJO w/o 121 time, admittedly slathers of international jet PIC corporate jet time.

Sad, but true. And like when I agree with your points in another thread, of the last 3 hiring pushes that have taken place at the majors, this is the one that is placing the LEAST value on PIC it would seem.

True. And diversity is a GOOD THING. However, diversity just for the sake of diversity is NOT.

The FACT is, outside the majority demographic/NW-NM are culled from a much smaller application silo. And YES, they can get a TBNT after interviewing ALSO.

It's ALSO fact that one can get hired without TPIC and do JUST FINE. However, for RIGHT HERE and RIGHT NOW, the majority of those in new hire class at (insert legacy here) have it. Those without it make of a small sample of the demographic of the new hire group. Strange, I have more than one friend hired recently at the "big three". In their classes (at least), they were in the average of the civilian experience range of the group. They ALL had over 10K TT, with over half of the that TPIC time. EVERYONE in the class had been a CA/AC commander. One was in their mid 30's with the mentioned flight times, and was the YOUNGEST in their new hire class. However, the class before theirs wasn't the same, nor was the one after. But the point still stands.

For RIGHT HERE, and RIGHT NOW, the legacies are a ways off from just "cold calling" pilots en masse that don't TPIC time.

To the OP, get hired, get your time to meet the mins of where you're applying. If upgrade is too far off, start improving your resume in other ways if you can. Take on a ground/FTD instructor position if you can. Or, a position on a safety committee, whatever. And as always, NETWORK NETWORK NETWORK!!!!!

And I KNOW I'll take flame for this. And it'll FOR SURE come from someone that has NEVER been a CA/AC. Being a CA previously makes one a better FO when they move on.