Originally Posted by gojo
(Post 1751005)
Interesting theory, but how would that keep the PM more in the loop than a challenge/response?
While I agree that both pilots are responsible for being aware of what is going on and listening to the radio, it further reduces the errors and confirmation bias that occurs in every two-crew cockpit (regardless of how sharp crewmembers are, or how standard procedures are), especially when task loading/workload is high...with a reduction in altitude deviations showing that the process is effective. "Bumping hands" is the lesser of the two evils, don't you think? That being said, I don't think "your way" is "wrong"...but it is different than the two 91 operations and two 121 operations I have worked at. |
In the end, some companies do it one way, some do it the other way. Both ways have been shown to be acceptable to the FAA. Depending where you are, that's the way you do it, regardless of your personal preference. If and when you change employers, if they do it differently than what you are used to, you adapt or you move on.
All that said, at Delta the PM makes changes with the AP off, as directed by the PF. PF makes changes with the AP on, or can direct the PM to make changes during high work loads (below 10K.) If you come here, that's how you do it. Please don't tell us how you did it at your other airline and how it was so much better. Don't be "that" guy. |
Originally Posted by CBreezy
(Post 1750721)
If I remember correctly(Not 100% sure) airways guys have the PM set the ALT. At least from the view of my jumpseat.
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Originally Posted by pagey
(Post 1751011)
PF at Airways.
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Originally Posted by BoilerUP
(Post 1751009)
Because the PM would have to 1. hear the altitude from ATC, 2. acknowledge the altitude from ATC, 3. set the altitude from ATC in the window and 4. receive confirmation from the PF that what was set corresponded with #1 & 2, as well as matched what the PF heard.
While I agree that both pilots are responsible for being aware of what is going on and listening to the radio, it further reduces the errors and confirmation bias that occurs in every two-crew cockpit (regardless of how sharp crewmembers are, or how standard procedures are), especially when task loading/workload is high...with a reduction in altitude deviations showing that the process is effective. "Bumping hands" is the lesser of the two evils, don't you think? That being said, I don't think "your way" is "wrong"...but it is different than the two 91 operations and two 121 operations I have worked at. |
Originally Posted by Justdoinmyjob
(Post 1751010)
In the end, some companies do it one way, some do it the other way. Both ways have been shown to be acceptable to the FAA. Depending where you are, that's the way you do it, regardless of your personal preference. If and when you change employers, if they do it differently than what you are used to, you adapt or you move on.
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Can't believe someone wasted ink saying who touches what knob.
(Also: giggity) |
Whom ever does it....does it......some times the PM does it or the PF
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Originally Posted by FaceBiter
(Post 1750872)
I'm always the PF even when I'm not. Therefore, I set whatever I want, whenever I want.
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Originally Posted by Akbush
(Post 1751354)
Whom ever does it....does it......some times the PM does it or the PF
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