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2StgTurbine 10-21-2014 03:18 PM

Who sets the altitude pre-selector?
 
I have worked at companies that have the PF set the altitude pre-selector when the AP is on, and I have worked at companies that have the PM set the altitude pre-selector when the AP is on. I personally have a preference and I am trying to get my current company to change, but I before I waste too much energy on it, I wanted to see where others in the industry stand.

Personally, I prefer the PF to set the altitude pre-selector since that person is controlling the rest of the flight guidance control panel. It is still important for both pilots to verify and agree on the altitude assignment, but I think it is awkward when two pilots are effectively flying the plane.

So please chime in and tell me what who sets the altitude pre-selector at the company you work for and what your preference is.

Speedbird2263 10-21-2014 03:26 PM

At Expressjet(ASA) the PF sets the altitude selector whilst the autopilot is engaged and the PM verifies the altitude thereafter. When the autopilot is disengaged the PM sets the altitude selector and controls the flight guidance control panel and the PF verifies altitudes. Also of note but not quite related, officially our FOM policy requires the PM to also control the FMS once below 10,000 MSL regardless of Auto Pilot selection so that the PF is always heads up.

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Bassman1985 10-21-2014 03:27 PM

PF with AP on, PM when hand-flying. Simple, effective. Can't figure why PM would do it with the AP on.

CBreezy 10-21-2014 03:29 PM


Originally Posted by 2StgTurbine (Post 1750709)
I have worked at companies that have the PF set the altitude pre-selector when the AP is on, and I have worked at companies that have the PM set the altitude pre-selector when the AP is on. I personally have a preference and I am trying to get my current company to change, but I before I waste too much energy on it, I wanted to see where others in the industry stand.

Personally, I prefer the PF to set the altitude pre-selector since that person is controlling the rest of the flight guidance control panel. It is still important for both pilots to verify and agree on the altitude assignment, but I think it is awkward when two pilots are effectively flying the plane.

So please chime in and tell me what who sets the altitude pre-selector at the company you work for and what your preference is.

I think it's good CRM and keeps both pilots actively involved in flying the airplane to have the PM set the ALT. That person isn't flying the airplane unless the airplane is beginning to level off. The knob doesn't control any flight characteristics of flying the airplane.

The argument I would make is, if the autopilot is engaged and you feel that the PF should make all changes regarding flight, shouldn't you also be lobbying to set flaps and gear?

BlueSkiesAhead 10-21-2014 03:30 PM

At AWAC, the PM sets the altitude. I strongly prefer the PF method of setting it though. I'm really not sure why the heck we don't do it that way.

gojo 10-21-2014 03:32 PM


Originally Posted by Bassman1985 (Post 1750716)
PF with AP on, PM when hand-flying. Simple, effective. Can't figure why PM would do it with the AP on.

I agree. The only one I ever saw do it differently was Pinnacle. But they did a few things weird such as shutting the flight deck door before the boarding door. Chime 5 minutes prior to landing to name a few

CBreezy 10-21-2014 03:34 PM


Originally Posted by gojo (Post 1750719)
I agree. The only one I ever saw do it differently was Pinnacle. But they did a few things weird such as shutting the flight deck door before the boarding door. Chime 5 minutes prior to landing to name a few

If I remember correctly(Not 100% sure) airways guys have the PM set the ALT. At least from the view of my jumpseat.

2StgTurbine 10-21-2014 03:34 PM


Originally Posted by CBreezy (Post 1750717)
That person isn't flying the airplane unless the airplane is beginning to level off. The knob doesn't control any flight characteristics of flying the airplane.

The argument I would make is, if the autopilot is engaged and you feel that the PF should make all changes regarding flight, shouldn't you also be lobbying to set flaps and gear?

I disagree. During the approach ATC usually gives you an altitude assignment right at level off. Also, if it is set incorrectly near the level off, then you may over shoot.

My argument would be why not have the PM also set the heading bug to "keep both pilots in the loop." A pilot can mess up a heading just as much as an altitude.

flightmedic01 10-21-2014 03:35 PM

At UAL, the PM responds to the ATC transmission, sets the altitude selector to the new altitude and points at it until verbally acknowledged by the PF.

CBreezy 10-21-2014 03:36 PM


Originally Posted by 2StgTurbine (Post 1750722)
I disagree. During the approach ATC usually gives you an altitude assignment right at level off. Also, if it is set incorrectly near the level off, then you may over shoot.

My argument would be why not have the PM also set the heading bug to "keep both pilots in the loop." A pilot can mess up a heading just as much as an altitude.

Because the heading bug controls actual flight characteristics whereas, in most situations, the ALTO knob does not. Again, why not set your own flaps or lower your own gear?


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