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chignutsak 11-09-2014 10:32 AM

Close this worthless ****ing thread.

Bzzt 11-09-2014 10:44 AM


Originally Posted by buddies8 (Post 1760698)
Oh the person who made the announcement is a glass representative. In other words a glass suck up. U hope negotiations stopped. I have a contract and those w Ho want a change can quit and go else where.

You do realize the contract you're so proud of is awful right? Eagle went from close to top of the industry to barely average.

Ar Pilot 11-09-2014 02:37 PM


Originally Posted by Bzzt (Post 1760722)
You do realize the contract you're so proud of is awful right? Eagle went from close to top of the industry to barely average.


X2 majority of the seniority list at eagle would make far more money on PSA or Compass's contract. Eagle has cancellation pay and decent rsv rules (which is important because half the airline are rsv pilots). That's it.

RJ Pilot 11-09-2014 03:24 PM


Originally Posted by Ar Pilot (Post 1760805)
Eagle has cancellation pay and decent rsv rules (which is important because half the airline are rsv pilots). That's it.

Yes, because thats the only thing envoy has to offer. I wonder if thats the gimmick envoy recruiters are using to attract the 2-3 interviewees.

stanherman 11-09-2014 05:07 PM

GV Captain or Envoy pilot doesn't really matter. Just another aviation nobody.

Should accept reality rather than troll Internet forums spamming nonsense.

Romulus 11-11-2014 07:48 AM


Originally Posted by meah (Post 1760631)
Eagle sounds like a great place to work with fantastic morale.

So great that they've lost over 3 dozen pilots last week. Eagle will soon have plenty of airplanes to give to PSA and PDT because there will be no one left to fly them.

Envoy is a dying airline. Doug Parker seems bent on shutting it down in favor of outsourcing to a handful of other feeders. He's so 2000 in his thinking American will be back in bankruptcy about 5 years from now.

Romulus 11-11-2014 07:53 AM


Originally Posted by RJ Pilot (Post 1760815)
Yes, because thats the only thing envoy has to offer. I wonder if thats the gimmick envoy recruiters are using to attract the 2-3 interviewees.

They can use all the tricks and lies they like, but only the most gullible or desperate pilot would go to Envoy. What pilot wants to work for an airline where they'll be unemployed a year or two from now?

Seniority is everything in this business and smart pilots go to airlines for either experience (building time or fast upgrade) or for a career. Envoy offers nothing but the chance to add a pink slip to your resume after failing a training event.

buddies8 11-11-2014 08:35 AM


Originally Posted by Bzzt (Post 1760722)
You do realize the contract you're so proud of is awful right? Eagle went from close to top of the industry to barely average.

I do realize my current contract is worse than before, thanks to the spineless balless pilots at eagle/envoy, but I am not willing to give anymore as I did not want to give before. Like I said before even if you give them what they want as we did before they will just come back for more, why because the pilots here would have told them they could. So NO and glass can go jump off a cliff with all his minions.

prior121 11-11-2014 01:26 PM


Originally Posted by Romulus (Post 1761683)
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Envoy is a dying airline. Doug Parker seems bent on shutting it down in favor of outsourcing to a handful of other feeders. He's so 2000 in his thinking American will be back in bankruptcy about 5 years from now.

Just to play Devils advocate here....

Cheaper feed = bankruptcy??

I must have slept through economics class.

wareagle 11-11-2014 02:02 PM


Originally Posted by prior121 (Post 1761889)
Just to play Devils advocate here....

Cheaper feed = bankruptcy??

I must have slept through economics class.

To be fair, bankruptcy has nothing to do with how much money they have, as we learned last time when they declared with $6 billion cash and a huge new fleet order. It's just a convenient decadal tool to obtain judicial backing to break all the contractual promises they pretended to make and reward the executives with special bonuses for the idea.


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