Are you serious? The ones that ARE NOT bottom feeders are the ones who recognize the laws of supply and demand are FINALLY in the pilots favor and not willing to lower the bar. Regional wages have always been patheticly low and the oppurtunity finally came along to change that. That oppurtunity was lost thanks to the modern day sc@bs of PSA and PDT.

I don't know who you work for and frankly I don't care. But do you really not understand how much PSA and PDT signing concessionary contracts for their own short term benefits f'd us all? If you can't see, or just refuse to believe it, I can't help ya.

Which brings me back to my original question. How many are getting hired through the pref interviews? Not trying to sound like an ass but a pref interview is the biggest joke of a flow ever. If PSA and PDT are trying to grow their airline and need warm bodies, why would their parent company (AAG) allow them to move on?

Edit...I understand PDT has a true flow, at least that's something.

He doesn't "understand how much PSA and PDT f'd us all" because he went to work for JO at what has always been known as one of the worst bottom feeders in the industry.;)

Last I heard it was like 50 a year, and in think they have close to 1000 pilots now and growing. Even if they increased the numbers to 100 that's 10 years before you get your interview.
The reason I think AAG would allow them to move to mainline is to keep the cost down at PSA and PDT by getting the most expensive employees out. It also keeps applicant coming through the door.

I was hoping for numbers a little more accurate than that. :rolleyes:

If that's what you think, you my friend need a history lesson and need to look no further than envoy! We have a true flow and are getting metered to our minimum, even though AAG (previously AMR) has been crying longevity for years!! PLEASE don't tell me you are this naive! To top it off, who cares about longevity when they have you capped at a 12 yr pay scale? Once that quick upgrade dies out, nobody is going to be knocking at their door for a crappy contract, a pref interview, and a scarlet letter on their resume.

Do you see now why that contract it God-awful? My opinion is that anyone going to PSA is destined for a LONG career there (unless they have some super good connections)

First off why does everyone think that just because you have a flow that you are stuck for years waiting. Did you mean you can't upgrade at PSA in 2 years and be a Captain for another 2 years and go to Delta? Or maybe United? JetBlue? UPS? FedEx?

There's tons of people that don't care about the flow at all. They just want to upgrade and chose a major. But in the end it's nice to have a flow in your back pocket if you need it. But all this stupid talk about being stuck at PDT/PSA because of a flow is stupid. We are still losing Captains and FO's to other airlines besides American.

Again, back to the original point. Do you know about how many are being lost to AA, UA, DAL, FEDEX,UPS, etc ? My point is that coming from a dirtbag outfit such as PSA and PDT will make it more difficult to get hired at one of the more desirable carriers.

All of the regionals have "dirtbag" qualities. The one that everyone hates today will be the "best" one tomorrow.

SkyWest is stealing work from 9E, TSA from XJT.

Not trying to argue, but I just don't think that coming from any regional is going to stop anyone from getting hired at a mainline carrier. I just don't think they care. Now as time goes by and more of today's regional pilots get on hiring boards I could see some instance of bias. But if there is a hiring board and qualified people are being denied jobs just because of where someone used to work management is going to be asking the hiring boards ***.

I know that "this time is different", but-

Anyone remember all the hubub about 9E when they opened ATL and there was word of street captains? Lots of interest in 9E. That was right about 6-7 years ago, wonder what happened to a lot of those pilots....

How about RAH and the huge influx of "guppy killlers". One of the worst contracts out there, but there was a feeding frenzy. If my memory serves me right, that started about 8 years ago. Wonder what happened to a lot of the pilots that jumped over......

And Goat Jet? How did it work out for a lot of the lateral movers there?

Or when Gulfstream became Silver a few years ago, lots of jumpers for the quick upgrade and or street captains. What's up at Silver now?.....

The list goes on, and the story will repeat as long as there is a FFD segment of the industry. You could take the threads from '06-'07 about the whipsaw and lateral moves and quick upgrades, etc and read them today and think it was current, just change the names and the details.

Some percentage of the pilots who make a lateral move will come out ahead, sometimes WAY ahead. Some will just be screwing themselves, sometimes very badly. And the piloting career will keep sliding backwards regardless of how it turns out for individuals.

A huge number of the RAH guys from that era got an 18-24 month upgrade. I am not one of them, nor did I make a lateral move....

The Go Jet guys from 2010-2012 all came out with quick upgrade.

Not saying one should chase upgrade, but is does work out for some.

If you believe that then you're not in touch with reality! I got out of the hotel van with two Mainline FO's at American. Both former GoJets! Went there got there fast upgrade and now are at a major. LOL

Yep that scum bag outfit hurt them.

I never said it would be impossible, I said it would be much more difficult. I'd venture to say those two AA FO's had some nice connections or were prior mil. If you're like the majority of us (white male with mostly civilian RJ time) you have already stacked the deck against yourself.

I've read your previous posts and am well aware I won't be changing your opinion and that's fine. I do hope, however, that guys and girls new to the industry take off their blinders and see how detrimental going to PSA and PDT is to their career. You're welcome to think that mainline doesn't care but I'm telling you that they ARE well aware and they do care.

In terms of majors hiring...when I got hired on at CAL in '06 there were folks getting hired from the original Freedom Air (alter-ego of Mesa), and GoJets. Of course we had scabs in management so maybe they liked that sort of thing, dunno. What I do know is that UAL and UALALPA are working together as we have to hire 1300+ in the next 18 months (I've moved up 200+ numbers in the last 3 months). Though there were political motivations on Heppner's part, like gaining the regional MEC's vote for ALPA President, I suspect the practice will continue to help our ALPA brothers & sisters at the regional level. Fact of the matter is that the pool will dry up quickly, and management will have to add more mainline aircraft to comply with scope, which means even more hiring. DAL's ETD (or whatever it's called) with 9E is just the start, IMHO.

There. Fixed it for you.

So let me get this straight. You're saying that the majors don't want to hire the pilots from the regionals that they are forcing to fly there planes at the rates the majors place on them?
Oh okay! Lol! If anything they probably want them more.

Huh? Start making some sense for a change. Like the old saying goes, you can't fix stupid. I'm not going to argue with you because clearly it's akin to ****ing in the wind. You're entitled to your opinions, as flawed as they are. I'm done with you though.

Absurd, no reason to single out any regional company, even with a bankruptcy contract their contract is basically still average. Your statement could be said about every single regional pilot making less than 65K (every FO in the industry). Where do you work and how much more do you think you make than a 9E pilot?

Why do people keep using these stupid codes like 9E like we all know who that is?
Is it really too much to type out the name of an airline?

Stupid? Your statement that you have less chance getting hired at a major if you fly for a bottom feeder isn't?? Okay I'm stupid and done with. Thank very much:-). Let me get back to my bottom feeding job.:rolleyes:

Maybe If you had said a bottom feeder has a less chance of getting hired then a F-15 guy at a major I'd agree. But when comparing regionals it's pretty much all McDonalds.

AA, Alaska, United, and Jet Blue have all hired our pilots this year. 350 pilots and 50ish gone to a legacy or LCC this year. Whatever you think of the Piedmont, it hasn't stopped our pilots from moving up and on.

The fact that people think majors care what regional you worked for is hilarious

This. They don't care and in many cases haven't even heard of your airline. The HR dept and recruiting folks probably have but I've had jumpseaters who hadn't even heard of my carrier, which has been around for nearly 50 years.

Mostly they're ignorant and uninterested in what happens outside their world. It's just the way it is. It's not a slam. I'm totally ignorant of the 135 and corporate world and when I fly with someone who lived in that world I learn new things all the time.

Recruiters don't care who you work for as long as it's a 121 carrier. I believe this completely.

I agree with Tunes and Saab 2000. The first time I heard of this was in the late 1990s when we were told that anyone who paid for their training was going to have problems getting hired by the majors. Today, most of those people are at the majors. Then we heard after 9/11 that anyone who went to GoJet was going to have problems. Then Skybus...

It goes on and on every generation. But it never slows people's career progression. It just stresses them out unnecessarily.

A-freakin-men!! So who IS 9e? And Goat jet?


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Use Wikipedia

or be an actual pilot. Airline pilots would know these.

Bingo, would it hurt to know a little bit about the industry you work in?

STOP the lateral moves!
 

Hahaha BE an actual pilot? Man you must be one of the cool kids on campus using all the new talk and saying things like o-em-gee... Just trying to understand what you guys write without having to open another tab and see what it means or keep a list of abbreviations taped to my phone.

Jerk.




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How many people on this board are not pilots? I would wager it is somewhere around half.

You're funny too


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I do it, to simply **** people off who are out of touch and too lazy to use google.... 9E is endeavor air, do I also need to explain to you that ENDEAVOR AIR (happy) was formerly pinnacle/mesaba/colgan. If you want more than that your on your own.

So... TSA is dirt bags? We were supposed to fly 33 jets for United 4 years ago. Your company underbid us at a loss, when xjt didn't even fly for United. That is pretty much the flying we are getting now. Since they can no longer continue to fly those airplanes at a loss. We haven't stole anything. But, I do love how we never blamed xjt for that loss 4 years ago. Since it was your airlines choice to under bid at a loss. But, it continues to be brought up on these boards like we stole that flying from xjt pilots.

We have never stole planes from any pilot group. We have always stood together to try and help this industry. The only thing that we did to hurt the industry is allow Go Jet to exist.

I'll bet you if mainline and regional management read all the bickering about who stole whose flying and whose regional is better they would be laughing their butts off. All the way to the bank too (of course referring to upper management, the money men).

I'm looking forward to your Christmas light display in Kansas City. How has JO been treating you??

What ever happened to... "I'm just happy to fly" Isn't that why we all got into a Cessna or Piper trainer? To be able to live out our dreams of flying?? All things considered, the fact that we even have the privilege to fly is amazing. It seems that people forget why they got into this career field. Enjoy what you do. Enjoy the FACT that you don't have to work for a living... A lot of you let the politics that come along with this career make you forget your passion for flying. Personally I'm just happy to fly. To each It's own I guess.

Thanks man! It's gonna sweet this year! Missed out on the nice days to set it up tho... :cool:

Happiness = reality vs. expectations is really true. I came into this with my expectations low and it's not been bad at all. I'm flying 3 high time commutable 4 days this month with a layover in Colorado over Thanksgiving to see family. I'll say this, other than having to commute and do 4 days, my QOL is not that much different.

Lol ok bro.

I do have to say my last schedule at Mesa was pretty sweet. Things were coming along fine before I resigned for this job. But I did the same thing, pretty much knew what to expect, so I set them low and it ended up being not bad. Well, other than the pay, and there's no way to defend that.

Awesome, glad it's working out for you.

My father-in-law is a Frontier CA and I told him you're interviewing soon. After explaining your 'situation' and reputation at XJT he said he would "take care of it". Enjoy!