Bad News at ENY?
 

November 16, 2014

Fellow DFW Pilots,


Negotiations Update

Recently, we received confirmation that AAG has officially withdrawn from this recent round of negotiations with ALPA. No specific explanation was given over AAG’s decision to walk away from the negotiating table, although the Company articulated their offense to a MEC Newsblast that was sent to the pilot group last Wednesday night. We urge everyone to judge the content of that Newsblast for themselves.

Be rest assured that your MEC has worked diligently on the past negotiations. We take this monumental responsibility seriously knowing the extreme importance of the outcome. We also understand that in addition to 2,500 pilots, there are over 11,000 other households counting on Envoy’s survival. Envoy pilots are sincerely interested in the future success of this Company and every member of the MEC is invested and dedicated in working together with the Company to secure a brilliant future for this carrier.

It is truly unfortunate and particularly disappointing that AAG walked away in the middle of negotiations, especially since we were making progress and believed we were relatively close to securing an agreement that the MEC could support. While our counter proposal achieved the economics demanded from the Company, we remained separated on the particulars regarding Fleet Commitment, Flow Through, and protections regarding existing employees for 12/4 Longevity Pay Caps. The Company had regressed in these areas.

Negotiating is typically a delicate dance where either party compromises to satisfy various interests. The Company is asking our pilot group to give up millions in concessions in order to better align our costs with the recent reduction in costs obtained at their other wholly-owned Fee-For-Departure airlines. In return, our pilots have voiced their needs for reasonable, equitable assurances. Our pilots are simply requesting that AAG provide future job security and an opportunity for career progression in return for the sought concessions.

It is important to add that we have learned AAG is likely to make some rather unpleasant announcements affecting Envoy’s upcoming operations. We have not been given specific details about this bad news on the horizon other than these announcements have less to do with negotiations than they do with Envoy’s inability to attract and retain pilots.

We recognize the hardship and stress the pilot group has endured as a result of these year and a half negotiations tacked onto the end of the bankruptcy process. We commend and appreciate your resolve. While it has not been an easy road traveled, we undoubtedly know that your continued professionalism will shine. It is your professionalism that keeps AAG interested in the pilots of Envoy. Please keep in contact with your local representatives and remember that they are listening.

The Company has not indicated if or when they will reengage the Association.



In Unity,


Anyone care to elaborate what the 'Bad News' is?

Good Luck.

There is a thread already for Envoy.

http://www.airlinepilotforums.com/re...ntract-14.html

Basically I think the bad news is 145's will be transferred to another carrier. Many believe it will be Piedmont. Then another home will be found for the 175's. Probably PSA or more for Compass or Republic.
Probably shrink Envoy even more then actually merge them with one of the other two WO'ed.

Sounds like that means Parker and Glass did a "bait and switch" to fleece PDT pilots into inking a deal thinking they'd get E-175's when in reality they'll just get Envoys sloppy seconds.

LOL !!!

That's going to upset the senior lifers at PDT who were lying in bed fantasizing about wrapping up their careers on new E-175's. :rolleyes:

What? Amazing flow to AA isn't attracting enough pilots to Eagle? Ha! The secret has been out for a decade. Flow throughs benefit the top 10% and usually aren't worth the paper they're written on.

Of course no one is going to go to Eagle. But then again I would assume the same thing for those other airlines that took concessions but guess I was wrong about them so who knows...

I realize that this is not exactly a material fact, but Bedford has stated several times that Republic is not bidding on any more AA 175s.

(now watch: an announcement making me a liar will be made tomorrow)

Dude I don't know what planet your from. But all our senior guys aren't going to fly 175's. Many of our senior lifers have changed teams and have flown to AA and are flying an Airbus now.

PDT has movement now and most PDT people could care less about any 145's.

That's even worse. The senior lifers agreed to the bait and switch knowing they'd split leaving those more junior to potentially get stuck flying banged up old 145's that pay less then 175's and for a long, long time should AA stop hiring (which means other legacies likely have too).

Sounds like chickens coming home to roost, if not now, then possibly very soon. I'd be holding my breath, if I was you. ;)

Doesn't that sound like what's always gone on at the regional level? And with the retirements of both US Airways and American I don't see hiring stopping at all over the next 10 years.

Along with many lifers leaving the same amount are staying. Mostly the guys with less then 5 years. They will be able to Retire at Piedmont since it's one of the few Regionals that has a retirement.

Now many of our 5-7 year FO's are upgrading. We don't have people jumping ship anymore. Our contract doesn't change until we get 145's or 175's. And like I said we could care less now! The Dash is a fun plane to fly and we have movement for the first time in like 10 years.

Kinda nice.

Seriously , you can bash all you want about Pdt...Our NC during roadshow clearly told us that our contract will most likely be for 50 seater. In addition, you really think we passed our contract so we can fly 175s? Lol.