Originally Posted by publicphone (Post 1770654)

Well folks, I don't know why our MEC continues to hide specifics from you, but here are some more.

We begin transferring our CRJs to PSA in June of 2015.
We will park the remaining 38 EMB140s in 2015.
We will transfer 15 EMB145s to Trans States in 2015.
Then, we will transfer another 15 EMB145s to a yet unnamed airline in 2016.
We will transfer another 20 EMB145s to Piedmont, all in 2016.

That means that we will have gone from over 300 aircraft at the end of 2008 to 68 airplanes by the end of 2016. Additionally, the company disclosed a long time ago that with less than 70 aircraft on property, the flight department could not make a profit and would be liquidated.

So let's think this through. A few months ago, we had the opportunity to lock in 170 aircraft guarantee with NO wiggle room for management, despite Ray Igou's current lies about management having the ability to stop the flow or reduce the aircraft guarantee due to staffing. Not only was Ray Igou not there at the time, but his individual has already proven his gross inability to maintain any actual facts as was again proven on Council 121's teleconference.

So management is still offering a fleet guarantee, an enhanced flow, and relief on the 12/4 caps, should AA slow or stop its hiring. But our self-serving MEC continues to hide the ball.

Someone should please help me understand how your elected representatives have helped you. They have lost 40 aircraft from the fleet guarantee, they have lost most of the 145s, the have lost our CRJs and the promised 900s, they have lost all credibility with the APA, and they are jeopardizing the flow through for the rest of us.

Tell the MEC to put the proposal out for a vote and to get their self-serving personalities out of the way.

Originally Posted by eaglefly (Post 1770904)

LOL !!!

Folks look at this post. First of all it set up to make it look bad by starting from unrelated Parker threat issues back in 2008 (300 aircraft), instead of the present, more accurate fleet count. All these plans have yet to be executed BTW and thus are still unconsummated threats. Then it goes into a diatribe to pit the pilots against the membership and do (again) what they want, that being to BYPASS the union and go direct to the pilots as the last plea begs. This time they know that can't pressure the MEC claiming they don't represent the pilots and are therefore now hoping to throw enough mud on the wall here to accomplish that. THEY - ARE - BECOMING - DESPERATE.

People, this is a CLASSIC management divide and conquer tactic and made by a paid stooge. You've got to be able to spot these attacks. Some are more stealthy, but this one is clumsily obvious. The plan has ALWAYS been to diversify Eagle Envoy's slice of the pie and it's just they want to reshape that as an excuse to whittle down costs there. Union busting is alive and well under the Parker regime.

Originally Posted by buddies8 (Post 1770719)

The past doings by Tony and scum set up the scenarios that are playing out now. But of course never learn from history just keep sweeping it under the rug and hope no one finds out.

now go back to your company cubicle.

Originally Posted by rickt86 (Post 1770906)

No one is buying his post except the same five chicken littles. This pilot group won't vote through anything unless it has a lot of cash attached and has fleet and flow. Everyone is ready for and prepared a shutdown that threat has no weight anymore.

Originally Posted by citxls (Post 1770932)

Hi Jerry. Welcome to APC.

First and foremost I believe I speak on behalf of most of this pilot group when I say that none of us give a **** anymore. Do you honestly think we care about what you choose to do with this airline? Absolutely not.

We will all move on with or without Envoy and most of us will NOT be making lateral moves to some of your other scumbag operations. You have single handedly trashed this airline, and have driven away the pilots you needed to stay.

Instead of getting cost down, you've driven away 75% of the junior "competitive" pilots and now you're still stuck with the senior pilot group to do your RJ flying. Where's your profit margin? You really have to get your head out of DUI Doug's ass.

Maybe read a book instead of union busting, you and all your management cronies are a bunch of jokes and I can't help but laugh at your pathetic efforts.

Originally Posted by Bzzt (Post 1770979)

Why are we still posting about Envoy? It's all over but the crying. I understand people are bored on overnights, but talk about beating a dead horse.