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Nantonaku 12-11-2014 03:22 PM


Originally Posted by NWA320pilot (Post 1781179)
Again you are wrong...... It's to bad you can't attend one of the captain leadership symposiums or new hire dinners at Delta your take might be different with a little exposure. Another thing to remember is that the liability that regionals have in the event of an accident doesn't necessarily convey to the major airline it is flying for.

I'm not sure a little exposure would win me over. If management could they would get rid of every last pilot and just sell tickets. That has been the trend the last 15 years. How many pilots did Delta and NWA have combined 15 years ago? And how many regional/international partners? What do those numbers look like today? Maybe things are changing and you are right, maybe it is about the liability but seeing that Continental tail in flames had to carry some liability (even if indirectly) regardless of what company signed the paycheck of the pilot at the controls.

ClickClickBoom 12-11-2014 03:36 PM


Originally Posted by gloopy (Post 1781098)
That's exactly my point. The company owns hiring, and the company wants their interviews if at all possible. To any extent they utilize pilots to participate in the process, which they happen to seem to want very much to do, they do it at their own liesure. I'm glad you came to that conclusion finally.

You want to get on, except for a very few specific alternate pathways, you will have to interview. Even most of those alternative pathways involve the company participating in or controlling the interview at some point.

I have never had any other delusion. I have known that forever. Wholly owned, never owned, it simply doesn't matter. Companies will do whatever they want as long as it is in their best interests. While you may have seniority integration details in your CBA, outside that document the company is free to do as they wish. So what you or I think any HR department should do, the reality is they aren't asking us for our opinion as to how they should hire their newhires.

80ktsClamp 12-11-2014 11:28 PM


Originally Posted by Captain Tony (Post 1780825)
I have very little respect for someone who tries so hard to "win" an argument on the internet. Your condescending tone always comes out when someone challenges you. We're just having a discussion here... chill.

However, I can give you a lengthy list of names of pilots hired with less than 3000 PIC from ASA alone. A good friend of mine just last week. Maybe, just maybe, you don't have all the answers either...

So sayeth the king of condescension.


I know there are pilots with less than 3000 PIC. You said in your gem of a post that they were snake bit with over 3000 PIC... that is not the case as there are piles of them being hired. If you spew bullcrap the way you did where I know firsthand otherwise, I will absolutely take you to task.

jethikoki 12-12-2014 04:49 AM

Question is if a regional had in its contract that during any buyout of a mainline, regional pilots will be stapled or have a flow would ALPA see it gets enforced as mainline pilots would obviously fight it?

cencal83406 12-12-2014 05:26 AM


Originally Posted by NWA320pilot (Post 1781179)
Again you are wrong...... It's to bad you can't attend one of the captain leadership symposiums or new hire dinners at Delta your take might be different with a little exposure. Another thing to remember is that the liability that regionals have in the event of an accident doesn't necessarily convey to the major airline it is flying for.

This is one of the bigger weaknesses in the mainline -regional relationship from a pax standpoint. I buy a ticket on Delta, so it should ultimately be Delta who is held 100% liable for an accident involving an airplane contracting for them.

NWA320pilot 12-12-2014 05:31 AM


Originally Posted by cencal83406 (Post 1781627)
This is one of the bigger weaknesses in the mainline -regional relationship from a pax standpoint. I buy a ticket on Delta, so it should ultimately be Delta who is held 100% liable for an accident involving an airplane contracting for them.

Why.......?

Mesabah 12-12-2014 05:34 AM


Originally Posted by cencal83406 (Post 1781627)
This is one of the bigger weaknesses in the mainline -regional relationship from a pax standpoint. I buy a ticket on Delta, so it should ultimately be Delta who is held 100% liable for an accident involving an airplane contracting for them.

They buy insurance for this.

cencal83406 12-12-2014 05:55 AM


Originally Posted by NWA320pilot (Post 1781631)
Why.......?

Delta ticket, Delta painted aircraft, "One Level of Service". If the convenience of shedding liability were gone it would probably help bring jobs back to mainline.

To answer your question: "why not?"

NWA320pilot 12-12-2014 06:05 AM


Originally Posted by cencal83406 (Post 1781646)
Delta ticket, Delta painted aircraft, "One Level of Service". If the convenience of shedding liability were gone it would probably help bring jobs back to mainline.

To answer your question: "why not?"

The liability we are speaking about is a point of law not what we as pilots want...... Just because an aircraft is painted a certain way or an airline has a specific level of service it has "contracted" for doesn't convey liability. Additionally the contracting carrier doesn't do the interview vetting process, training, checking, and general oversight of said airline.

JetDoc 12-12-2014 06:12 AM


Originally Posted by cencal83406 (Post 1781646)
Delta ticket, Delta painted aircraft, "One Level of Safety". If the convenience of shedding liability were gone it would probably help bring jobs back to mainline.

To answer your question: "why not?"

There, fixed it for you...:D


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