Express on it's own ticket
 

People have said here a time or two that ExpressJet would like to operate on it's own and not as a regional contracting to other airlines. What would it take for this to happen?

It is going to happen. However they will still fly for COA.

It would be a tough road not flying for coa anymore. Look at Indy/ACA.

The fundamental problem here is that RJ's are inefficient compared to mainline aircraft. Their only chance would be to selectively cherry-pick a number of small city-pairs which don't have enough pax to justify mainline service.

Totally different than FLYI. We still have a guaranteed profit from CAL for years to come to supplement anything we do. We have Charter ops which is very busy right now and the Branded flying is going to happen. Indy went full balls to the wall on its own. We have revenue from a number of arenas to help us in this effort. We will See.

Not to mention we have economies of scale. It would take less per seat to turn a profit as we can spread the cost out over other operations.

Indy was forced to go balls to the wall on it's own. Or they could have ended up like AWAC and gotten kicked to curb. And I seriously doubt they would have been able to buy anybodys flying back in 2004. Even with over 400 million dollars in the bank and a healthy balance sheet.

The only thing XJT has in common with Flyi is the aircraft size:

As mentioned before we have a guaranteed revenue stream from CAL and from our charter.

We also have the infrastructure already in place to support the maintenance and operations.

We are not in direct competition with anyone, as we will be flying out of medium to small markets which are currently underserved.

The XR is lot more efficient than a CRJ-200.

Less than a quarter of our fleet will be dedicated to this venture (at first).

If a market is successful enough, who is to say we won't upgrade it to bigger equipment. After all we do have 100 pending options with Embraer, which can be converted from XR's.

Do I need to keep going? Different ball game people, different ball game!

About 3-4 months... Its basically a done deal. It WILL happen.

And anyone that compares us to Indy Air just needs to read Sanchez's post. Its right on. The only thing I would add is that Jim Ream has said that the only way we would get bigger airplanes is if someone else pays for them (like another mainline partner). Our economy of scale on the 145s is just too good right now.

By "efficient", what trait are you referring to? Can you prove it?

Well whats normal fuel burn on a CRJ-200 at .74M FL360 and a full boat (50 pax, 65 bags and 12000lbs of gas)? For the XR its about 2400lbs/hr.

Payload my friend

Range
Payload
Fuel

All of the above.

www.embraer.com

www.bombardier.com

No to mention Independence Air was starting out in debt in a time of rising crude prices...whereas ExpressJet has millions upon millions of dollars to spend. If it fails...big deal...so they're out some capital and they still have the COA contract.

Not to mention they treat their employees great.

My only pick with XJT is...they're getting so many mainline routes...

IAH-PSP
IAH-PBI
IAH-GRR

Those should be for major pilots, but trying to save $$ COA gives them to XJT...but hey...more power to you.

FF figures are extremely close, after comparing DOT filings.

Payload, the XR certainly has the -200 beat.

The ERJ isn't "gods gift to aviation" however.

Yes but that has nothing to do with XJT, thats all CAL management

PAX prefer ERJ's the CRJ is miserable to sit in, the windows are like 2 ft below the shoulder

How do you figure those should be mainline routes? Just because they are long distance? They are the long-thin routes that aircraft like the XRJ, E170s and CRJ700s are good at. I've been to GRR many times and that ain't a big town:D Theres a reason CAL will fly a 737 EWR-BOS but put an RJ on any of those routes.

Ditto that. Theres many long legs.....
EWR-OKC
IAH-IAD
IAH-YYZ
IAH-MSP
EWR-MSP
IAH-SLC
etc..... All comes straight from CAL. If they could fill a 737 i bet they'd fly it... sometimes routes like these flop from our system to theirs each bid period...

LOL have you ever sat in an ERJ? THAT is a miserable experience!

I've sat in both, and the Embraer is definitely a more comfortable ride.

2-1 Seating.
Windows you can actually look out of.
The F/A can actually control the temperature in the cabin.


And as far as the performance issues, well, let me put it to you this way,
we use to do COS (Colorado Springs for the non airline folks), and in the summer with an XR we would still be take-off limited due to the high density.

CHQ is going to run it now with a CRJ-200 (not an LR either), how do you think that's going to go?

Are you sure you sat in the ERJ? I believe it's 2-1 seating.

And for christ's sake, how many times does it need to be stated?
When somebody is on travelocity/orbitz/cheaptickets, ect and are comparing prices, do you really think that they ACTUALLY look at the aircraft type that the $20-30 cheaper option flys?

OK bud, whatever you say. 3-1 huh? I was referring to the ERJ's Express Jet operates, which are 2-1 seating.

Regardless, I can't believe you're even arguing this, they both suck. It's an RJ for christ sakes. Your airplane is better than mine, sweet! We both get paid peanuts to operate them. Let it go.

I fly one for a living, and yes I meant 2-1.

No one is arguing how customers book their flights; we're talking about their comfort. The 200 is a piece of sh!t. They did make some improvements with the 700/900, but the seating arrangement still sucks. And by the way the business travelers, you know the 15% that generates 60% of the revenue, they know the difference.

You are an instructor aren't you? Or did you upgrade to the airlines already?

Wow, what a coincidence. I fly one for a living also. For the same crap wage you do, well, I'm senior to you so maybe a little more for now. If you want to try to impress me AGAIN and get into a pi$$ing match AGAIN about who has been working in this industry longer AGAIN, we can.

Which is why we fly Southwest whenever we can!!

Id take the A side on an ERJ over any CRJ any day of the week flown by any one out there.

If things were different;

XJET operated CRJ's and still had the ontime and completion factor we do know.
MESA operated all ERJ's with all their operational/performace issues and high cancellation rate.

If you were a frequent flier/business traveller, would you still take a CRJ over the ERJ?

If it makes you feel better to look down at others, be my guest.

Sadly, these forums have turned more into bash-fests more than actual debates.

What crawled up your @ss and died? I thought we were having a good discussion about the comfort of 200 vs the embraer, but I guess not.

While you might have been a pilot longer than I have, that does not give you more right to an opinion. Impress you? NO, not unless you have double D's, and a great ass to go with it.

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She's so hot Mark. Maybe that Riddle guy that was harassing me will get a kick out of her.

If ExpressJet is going to start a stand-alone scheduled operation in a couple months, where is the marketing campaign? Airlines don't just start flying new routes, particularly under a brand that's unknown to the public, without trying to create a buzz in the affected markets months in advance.
Also, what is the paint scheme going to be? What Reservations System are they going to use (I'm sure continental is not going to let XJet use theirs)? Have they discussed where the new reservations office is going to be? Have they even announced a director of reservations?
There are a LOT of steps that have to be taken by airlines well, well, in advance of launching service in order to make something like this happen, and I'm not aware of XJet having taken any of them.
And even if they do announce all that stuff soon, and go ahead with the launch of this stand alone operation, I would be very nervous if I was on the bottom of that seniority list. XJet might have an advantage over flyi in the form of a revenue stream from its COEx operation, but that does not assure any kind of profit from the independent operation, it only assures that the company is not going to go out of business. No matter how nice the CEO might be, the shareholders, and the board of directors, are not going to allow him to indefinitely continue to operate an independent division if it's loosing money even half as fast as flyi did.
In the long term, I don't think an independent operation using 145XRs is going to be viable, and those planes will eventually end up being removed from the fleet, along with the employees hired to operate them. I hope XJet is doing this as a stopgap to buy themselves more time to place the planes with another major carrier, and that they are successful in finding another carrier, because if not I'm afraid a lot of people are going to end up on the street.

How dare you question the viability of using 50 seat RJ's as an airlines' fleet type. This is ExpressJet we are talking about - their super fantastic CEO turns anything he touches to gold!!

Dont worry all that stuff is already underway. Paint job is out but i am not sharing and just think positive at least you arent going to be a part of this and dont HAVE to worry about your job. :eek:

How bout you let our company worry about the things you have no idea about. MMMKKKKAAYYY thanks :D

Anyone know of a good BBQ joint???:cool:

So hows your private ticket going along? TOOLBOX:rolleyes:

I'm not really sure where you guys get the idea I'm a private pilot. Sorry I can't be so cool as to put "ERJ145XR First Officer" under my handle. You're a super-stud, you super cool airline pilot you! :D

I gotta say, I'm not a fan. I guess it goes without saying they kept the design process in house :D.

Really how would i guess you would put down something regarding XJT? Thats so unusual!!:rolleyes:

And ToolBox i dont have anything in my "Handle" about
"ERJ145XR First Officer" But i bet you know that because you know everything!!:rolleyes: