Welders $200,000
12-12-2014 | 05:44 AM
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Welders $200,000
It does not appear that the "party is over". Pilots are showing management that they are willing to work for less and less provided a chance at faster career progression exists. So long as pilots continue to flock to be low paying, quick-upgrading regional of the day there is little incentive to raise pay. It's simple supply and demand.
12-12-2014 | 05:49 AM
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And we have management on here saying regional first officers should not start at $100,000/year.
The party is over. We will no longer tolerate this nonsense. A college degree, $100,000 of training and the years to get 1500 hours of experience will yield a minimum of $100,000.
As with welders, it's simple supply and demand.
The party is over. We will no longer tolerate this nonsense. A college degree, $100,000 of training and the years to get 1500 hours of experience will yield a minimum of $100,000.
As with welders, it's simple supply and demand.
It also depends on the desirability of the job itself (fun factor), social prestige (people will work for less if what they are doing is regarded highly), and most importantly supply and demand.
The welders have a low cost of entry but other than that it's not a particularly fun job (industrial welding), it has low prestige, and right now demand is high.
Pilots are falling all over themselves to fly for next to nothing because all of the factors I just mentioned for welders apply in reverse to pilots.
12-12-2014 | 06:19 AM
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With oil heading toward $50 and below, those boom towns in ND will quickly become ghost towns. 4 years ago I told an unemployed guy to look at Craigslist job listings in ND, 2 weeks later he was in ND making 100k+ driving a truck, and still there today.
12-12-2014 | 06:27 AM
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What are you going to tell him to do now?
12-12-2014 | 07:21 AM
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The only guys making anywhere near those figures have their own rigs. If you think learning to fly was expensive look at the cost to outfit and maintain a welding rig. It's akin to running your own business, working contract work.
No cheap Chinese crap on those things, just Blue and Red.
It would be akin to being a contract pilot, supplying all equipment and ratings needed (SimCom or FSI current, all charts, etc.) and pay for your own transportation to/from, hotels, etc. A buddy of mine was typed in Falcons (had numerous types) and would do side trips making $1,500 a day + expenses.
No cheap Chinese crap on those things, just Blue and Red.
It would be akin to being a contract pilot, supplying all equipment and ratings needed (SimCom or FSI current, all charts, etc.) and pay for your own transportation to/from, hotels, etc. A buddy of mine was typed in Falcons (had numerous types) and would do side trips making $1,500 a day + expenses.
12-12-2014 | 07:26 AM
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The only guys making anywhere near those figures have their own rigs. If you think learning to fly was expensive look at the cost to outfit and maintain a welding rig. It's akin to running your own business, working contract work.
No cheap Chinese crap on those things, just Blue and Red.
No cheap Chinese crap on those things, just Blue and Red.
12-12-2014 | 07:38 AM
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Yes, if they own their own rigs, they might be bringing that in. Or more. But it's running a business. One guy I know spends $750 a week on average in diesel fuel alone. Not to mention consumables (been to Airgas recently?).
If you operated a 400 series Cessna on charter, with a rate of $600/hr, are you making $600/hr? Of course not. Same exact thing.
12-12-2014 | 08:35 AM
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No welders on W2 payroll are making $100/hr. Even union ones. That's >$200k a year. Nope not happening.
Yes, if they own their own rigs, they might be bringing that in. Or more. But it's running a business. One guy I know spends $750 a week on average in diesel fuel alone. Not to mention consumables (been to Airgas recently?).
If you operated a 400 series Cessna on charter, with a rate of $600/hr, are you making $600/hr? Of course not. Same exact thing.
Yes, if they own their own rigs, they might be bringing that in. Or more. But it's running a business. One guy I know spends $750 a week on average in diesel fuel alone. Not to mention consumables (been to Airgas recently?).
If you operated a 400 series Cessna on charter, with a rate of $600/hr, are you making $600/hr? Of course not. Same exact thing.
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12-12-2014 | 08:45 AM
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I paid a guy to weld a hole in a trailer. Basic steel trailer, easy weld job. Took him about 10 minutes plus about an hour of driving time to get to us. Charged me $600. I think he was making 200K. He did have his own rig and business.
12-12-2014 | 10:09 AM
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I own a business up there and have 6 CDL drivers. They work 3 on 1 off and easily make 100K. It's not uncommon for my guys to make 10K a month. Might be a thing of the past here soon though with low oil. We'll see in about 6 months.
I paid a guy to weld a hole in a trailer. Basic steel trailer, easy weld job. Took him about 10 minutes plus about an hour of driving time to get to us. Charged me $600. I think he was making 200K. He did have his own rig and business.
I paid a guy to weld a hole in a trailer. Basic steel trailer, easy weld job. Took him about 10 minutes plus about an hour of driving time to get to us. Charged me $600. I think he was making 200K. He did have his own rig and business.
If y'all think you can drop a couple grand and take a 6 month community college course, get a 4G cert, and make $100/hr 40+ hours a week go for it.
Personally, I wouldn't quit your day job, welding (real welding) is an art/science/engineering all rolled up into one trade.
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