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Dear Nicholas Brice
Envoy hitting it hard today with the recruiting. So hard they had no time to proof read.
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Indeed... I got the same thing 3 times today... Very tacky.
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Serious question: Is he my sim partner?
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I got it as well. Really makes me want to work for an airline who hires people with little to no SA to recruit. I thought I was the only one with the typo! Hopefully Nicholas Brice at least goes to work for them. :rolleyes:
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Dear Nicholas Brice
"How does a direct path to the world’s largest airline sound?"
Define direct. |
Wow, I thought it was just me. I got it too!
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Don't feel bad. Our internal comms are riddled with spelling errors and mis-deliveries, too.
They're just trying to make you feel at home. It's direct, for sure. Problem being that there's no time limit on "direct". |
Originally Posted by AdiosMikeFox
(Post 1789682)
Don't feel bad. Our internal comms are riddled with spelling errors and mis-deliveries, too.
They're just trying to make you feel at home. It's direct, for sure. Problem being that there's no time limit on "direct". |
Do you folks think for 1 second that DP would park brand new aircraft to honor a flow agreement if it comes to that? If DP had to choose between a pilot agreement and the shareholders, which do you think he would choose? Trust me. It would be the shareholders.
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Originally Posted by CrakPipeOvrheat
(Post 1789677)
"How does a direct path to the world’s largest airline sound?"
Define direct. |
Originally Posted by CrakPipeOvrheat
(Post 1789677)
"How does a direct path to the world’s largest airline sound?"
Define direct. |
Originally Posted by ccjaxpilot
(Post 1789743)
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Originally Posted by CrakPipeOvrheat "How does a direct path to the world’s largest airline sound?" Define direct. Guaranteed a job at AA with no interview. |
Originally Posted by ccjaxpilot
(Post 1789743)
Guaranteed a job at AA with no interview.
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Originally Posted by Da40Pilot
(Post 1789837)
Hmm...and if the person doesn't have a 4-year college degree, then what? He's stuck at Envoy forever and cannot flow?
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Originally Posted by Da40Pilot
(Post 1789837)
Hmm...and if the person doesn't have a 4-year college degree, then what? He's stuck at Envoy forever and cannot flow?
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Originally Posted by ccjaxpilot
(Post 1789842)
No 4 year degree needed. Not sure where you got that.
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Originally Posted by Da40Pilot
(Post 1789837)
Hmm...and if the person doesn't have a 4-year college degree, then what? He's stuck at Envoy forever and cannot flow?
Most of the legandary pilots from the golden era of airlines did not have college degrees, it has never made anyone a better pilot. It is still a good idea to get a degree (in something other than aviation) for your own good but the days of it being required are about to be over in my opinion. |
Originally Posted by CrakPipeOvrheat
(Post 1789835)
Ok. When do I start?
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Got the same, just figured he was my new bunk mate!!
Bummer, thought Nicolas Brice was going to be my new best friend :( |
Wow. Interesting.
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Guys and gals..........if you're already at a DAL or UAL regional, I'd stay put. As the regional F/O crisis deepens, DAL and UAL will counter with similar "cradle to grave" pipeline paths. You'd be better off continuing to accrue seniority where you are and be patient for the match play that will have to occur to prevent poaching vs. trusting Parker.
Parker is not known for his honesty and I'd consider this a sucker's play for his benefit. try not to get dazzled by what appears to be tasty candy, but that actually is awful. Just sayin.......... |
Originally Posted by ccjaxpilot
(Post 1789847)
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Originally Posted by CrakPipeOvrheat Ok. When do I start? It'll be a while but it is direct. Personally I woils go to a place with lower upgrade, but it is a nice backup. |
Originally Posted by CrakPipeOvrheat
(Post 1789863)
No one from AA has called me about a class date.
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Direct must be something pilots don't understand.
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Originally Posted by ccjaxpilot
(Post 1789743)
Guaranteed a job at AA with no interview.
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Originally Posted by Salukipilot4590
(Post 1789923)
Direct must be something pilots don't understand.
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Originally Posted by Pilottim79
(Post 1789934)
In just shy of 20 years. What a deal.
I think this is very smart on the part of Dougie, he is ensuring he has pilots to fly at these 12/4 rates. If you say it is dumb, and people will leave, well, that just simply makes an AA WO regional even more attractive for a newbie. |
Originally Posted by Mesabah
(Post 1789940)
You're basically stuck going through one of their regionals to get to AA if not from the military, or extremely well connected. I haven't heard of anyone getting on at AA from Endeavor, whereas Delta and United are taking the most of our guys. United is taking guys who got the double no from the DAL SSP.
I think this is very smart on the part of Dougie, he is ensuring he has pilots to fly at these 12/4 rates. If you say it is dumb, and people will leave, well, that just simply makes an AA WO regional even more attractive for a newbie. |
Originally Posted by Dunkin
(Post 1789953)
It would be interesting if UAL or DAL decided to hire hundreds of PSA/PDT/ENV pilots in just a few months span and force AA to cancel flights.
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Originally Posted by Dunkin
(Post 1789953)
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Originally Posted by Mesabah You're basically stuck going through one of their regionals to get to AA if not from the military, or extremely well connected. I haven't heard of anyone getting on at AA from Endeavor, whereas Delta and United are taking the most of our guys. United is taking guys who got the double no from the DAL SSP. I think this is very smart on the part of Dougie, he is ensuring he has pilots to fly at these 12/4 rates. If you say it is dumb, and people will leave, well, that just simply makes an AA WO regional even more attractive for a newbie. That is correct. It was a great move on multiple accounts for AA. Not only will the have the cheapest regional feed for many years, they will also have the recruiting advantage over Delta and United with a decreasing pilot supply pool. It will be tough to get on at AA as a civilian pilot if you are not at one of the three wholly owned airlines. It would be interesting if UAL or DAL decided to hire hundreds of PSA/PDT/ENV pilots in just a few months span and force AA to cancel flights. |
Originally Posted by Mesabah
(Post 1789972)
that is what a meaningful flow does for you.
Whoopty do. AA historically doesn't hire much from Eagle except for well connected ;) or children of current AA pilots. So to me coming here still wouldn't make sense. People need to become educated and make informed decisions instead of relying on College and Airline Recruiters, and Kit D. |
Originally Posted by JohnnyDingus
(Post 1789976)
Then AA would counteract by hiring from other regionals
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How many more generations of pilots are going to fall for flow throughs. Yes a token amount get flow, but they are designed to staff the right seat of RJs, not the right seat of legacy.
Flow through keeps the peons at their crappy jobs while AA and Delta can hire all their squadron buddies. |
What was sent out? Email?
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Originally Posted by CrakPipeOvrheat
(Post 1789677)
"How does a direct path to the world’s largest airline sound?"
Define direct. On the passenger side, direct and non-stop are not the same!:rolleyes: |
Originally Posted by Iowa Farm Boy
(Post 1789977)
Too bad we don't have one. The Flow Through provisions in this new agreement are so sparse as to make them a hinderance. Any newhire can flow through at 5/mth? When AA will be hiring at 700/yr?
Whoopty do. AA historically doesn't hire much from Eagle except for well connected ;) or children of current AA pilots. So to me coming here still wouldn't make sense. People need to become educated and make informed decisions instead of relying on College and Airline Recruiters, and Kit D. Seat locks apply to new F/Os, F/Os certified to a different aircraft type for 2 Years, captains 1 year from upgrade or equipment change. It might be smart no pass on the upgrade or equipment change and just flow instead of being tied down to a quickie pay increase! |
Is history reapeating itself?
This reminds me of the 1990's and the flow through promise to Eagle pilots then. |
Just had an Eagle pilot who flowed earlier this year on my jumpseat. He said it only took "17 years of misery".
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Originally Posted by NewPil0t
(Post 1790095)
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Originally Posted by CrakPipeOvrheat "How does a direct path to the world’s largest airline sound?" Define direct. Looks like you haven't been around airline talk too long. On the passenger side, direct and non-stop are not the same! |
Originally Posted by word302
(Post 1790108)
Just had an Eagle pilot who flowed earlier this year on my jumpseat. He said it only took "17 years of misery".
When I interviewed in 1999, they were saying "five years to American!" People! They will lie, cheat, and steal to get 1) you on the property, 2) you to cover that open trip, and 3) a reinterpretation of the contract to pay you less for doing more. Even when a fifth grader can read the plain English. |
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