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bedrock 01-14-2015 09:47 AM


Originally Posted by slick111 (Post 1803426)
you seem to be under the mistaken impression that today's airline executives give a rats behind about tomorrow's problems. They don't!!!

To them, it's all about this fiscal quarter and this bonus period! They couldn't care less about their airline's ability to staff cockpits five years from now, because chances are that in five years, these mba-toting geniuses will have padded their résumés (and their stock portfolio) and will have moved on to another job, tightening the screws on yet another business entity,..... All in the effort to further burnish their résumés and reputations as today's brilliant industrial titans. They'd rather see their airline cease to exist in 5 years, as opposed to losing of a few bucks from their bonus check(s) because they had to give regional pilots an extra dollar per hour.

By the way, (and to be fair), this mindset is not unique to the airline industry. It's rampant throughout corporate america.

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saturn 01-14-2015 10:33 AM


Originally Posted by Brand X (Post 1803420)
The real problem is that regional guys want to turn an entry level job (regional pilot) into a career job (mainline pilot). The thing is that most regional pilots don't have the necessary experience to fly at the mainline and many regional pilots don't have the talent and/or the proper background to fly at the mainline.

The minor league/major league baseball analogy is a good one to use. If regional pilots are as good as most claim to be, how come they aren't at the majors?

You are sure disconnected from reality. Its not 1980 anymore. In pretty much every country not named USA/Canada, the aircraft our "commuters" fly are at that countries mainline flown by their mainline pilots. Entry level jobs shouldn't take up a minimum 1/3-1/2 of one's career depending upon age when you start. Regional pilots don't want a career at regionals, they want onward upward opportunity. But it appears from your assertion most are unfit to carry 30 more passengers around, and shouldnt complain about making 100%-200% less than mainline guys. I mean, gasp, most didn't come from the military!

LaserRacer 01-14-2015 10:35 AM


Originally Posted by Brand X (Post 1803420)
The real problem is that regional guys want to turn an entry level job (regional pilot) into a career job (mainline pilot). The thing is that most regional pilots don't have the necessary experience to fly at the mainline and many regional pilots don't have the talent and/or the proper background to fly at the mainline.

The minor league/major league baseball analogy is a good one to use. If regional pilots are as good as most claim to be, how come they aren't at the majors?

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pagey 01-14-2015 10:47 AM


Originally Posted by Brand X (Post 1803420)
The real problem is that regional guys want to turn an entry level job (regional pilot) into a career job (mainline pilot). The thing is that most regional pilots don't have the necessary experience to fly at the mainline and many regional pilots don't have the talent and/or the proper background to fly at the mainline.

The minor league/major league baseball analogy is a good one to use. If regional pilots are as good as most claim to be, how come they aren't at the majors?

This is a troll post right?

The "talent?" Are you kidding me? What exactly constitutes "necessary experience?"

Most regional pilots are flying less advanced acft under far more grueling schedules with a fraction of the work rules of a mainline pilot......All that for maybe 50% of the pay.

The "regional" acft today are the mainline acft of yesterday DC9-10, fokker etc etc. Many regionals are flying larger acft than mainline did in the 70s/80s/90s.

The major/minor league reference absolutely is NOT a good one to use. You don't get to a major because you are a "good pilot."

N927EV 01-14-2015 10:55 AM

Right. Mainline pilots are soooo much more talented. Like the talent it takes to land a 767 on a taxiway at ATL. Or run a brand new 737 off the end of the runway in Jamaica. Tool.

gloopy 01-14-2015 10:57 AM


Originally Posted by N927EV (Post 1803512)
Right. Mainline pilots are soooo much more talented. Like the talent it takes to land a 767 on a taxiway at ATL. Or run a brand new 737 off the end of the runway in Jamaica. Tool.

Aside from the potential results of comparing major and regional accident/incident rates, which is probably a point you don't want to make anyway, what exactly do you hope to gain by throwing stones like that?

While isolated exceptions abound, the fact of the matter is the entry level major pilot is, on average, significantly more experienced than the entry level regional pilot. Anyone can, and does, make mistakes. Its not only easier, its way easier to get on with a regional than it is a major. That said, there are great pilots at both. But you're not seriously trying to imply there is zero difference *on average* are you?

N927EV 01-14-2015 11:05 AM


Originally Posted by gloopy (Post 1803514)
Aside from the potential results of comparing major and regional accident/incident rates, which is probably a point you don't want to make anyway, what exactly do you hope to gain by throwing stones like that?

While isolated exceptions abound, the fact of the matter is the entry level major pilot is, on average, significantly more experienced than the entry level regional pilot. Anyone can, and does, make mistakes. Its not only easier, its way easier to get on with a regional than it is a major. That said, there are great pilots at both. But you're not seriously trying to imply there is zero difference *on average* are you?


No. THe comment was in response to brandx. I agree, everyone makes mistakes. No matter how long you've been doing this. I was simply putting it out there because of the comment he made of regional pilots not being "talented" enough to fly at the majors.

gloopy 01-14-2015 11:10 AM


Originally Posted by N927EV (Post 1803525)
No. THe comment was in response to brandx. I agree, everyone makes mistakes. No matter how long you've been doing this. I was simply putting it out there because of the comment he made of regional pilots not being "talented" enough to fly at the majors.

I wouldn't worry too much about that. As we all know, stereotypes abound. But there's some great pilots at the regionals, no doubt. That's proven by the high numbers that are getting hired at the majors. If anyone says major pilots are awesome and regional pilots suck, just ask them why so many regional pilots become major pilots. :cool:

saturn 01-14-2015 11:32 AM

Classify major and regional pilots all you want, but they're both still, airline pilots. From the cockpit door to the radome its overall the same job folks.

Brand X 01-14-2015 02:55 PM


Originally Posted by LaserRacer (Post 1803492)

No, just my mainline paycheck. :D


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