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DryMotorBoatin 02-06-2015 08:55 AM

You're all delusional if you think this wont be rolled back. Give it a while and it will be. It'll be 500 hours but they're going to give additional Sims during initial and maybe make it a minimum of 100 hours of ioe. They'll significantly reduce the mins in favor of some additional training.

Cubdriver 02-06-2015 08:58 AM

A rollback of the Airline Safety and Federal Aviation Administration Extension Act of 2010 could probably happen, but only after many, many years of lobbying by airlines combined with major changes in the political climate.

JohnLocke 02-06-2015 09:16 AM

It's going to happen, and sooner than you think. They (I think delta is pioneering this) are already drafting new hire initial programs that include many more sim sessions to qualify as "credit" toward the 1500 hours.

Remember, HR 5900 which requires all crew members to hold an ATP was passed into law and will not change, however the FAA is charged with determining what you need to qualify for one.

prex8390 02-06-2015 09:18 AM


Originally Posted by FaceBiter (Post 1820529)
Why?.......

The man isn't very much of a aviation supporter, he's isn't much on getting young blood into the industry. Not just with the 1500 rule. He said he wouldn't even allow his own children to fly

GogglesPisano 02-06-2015 09:26 AM

Not sure why any pilot would want to roll back something that contributes to a shortage in the labor supply -- and therefore higher wages.

freezingflyboy 02-06-2015 09:35 AM


Originally Posted by GogglesPisano (Post 1820553)
Not sure why any pilot would want to roll back something that contributes to a shortage in the labor supply -- and therefore higher wages.

Amen brother. Seems short-sighted and counter productive.

rickair7777 02-06-2015 09:42 AM


Originally Posted by JohnLocke (Post 1820548)
Remember, HR 5900 which requires all crew members to hold an ATP was passed into law and will not change, however the FAA is charged with determining what you need to qualify for one.

Congress didn't trust the FAA, so while the law left the deets up to the FAA it also mandated a specific minimum of 1500 hours (also allowed for R-ATP minimums). So the law would have to be changed by congress, not just an FAA pencil-whip. Congress may not really care if a few bottom-feeder regional airlines have staffing troubles.

outaluckagain 02-06-2015 10:38 AM


Originally Posted by USMCFLYR (Post 1820395)
Well...everyone can have an opinion; but I for one absolutely disagree with your assessment of Sully as a spokesman for the aviation industry as a whole and the airline industry inparticular.

I am with you on that one. Sully may be a hero and a great guy, but he is by no means a spokesman. His opinions aren't worth much more than all others.

USMCFLYR 02-06-2015 10:47 AM


Originally Posted by outaluckagain (Post 1820607)
I am with you on that one. Sully may be a hero and a great guy, but he is by no means a spokesman. His opinions aren't worth much more than all others.

You probably meant to quote the other poster then.

I believe Sully does an excellent job as a spokesman - especially for the woes of the airline industry and SAFETY. He explains the issues well and accurately - something which you won't see a lot of from many other aviation *experts* and often in language that the non-pilot/aviation enthusiast can understand.

Farmlover 02-06-2015 10:50 AM

I hope they don't change the law anytime soon.


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