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Earn the hours. Learn something. 250 hours is not enough to be responsible for 50 people in the back of an airliner.
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Originally Posted by baseball
(Post 1820855)
They will have trouble making it off probation. Captains are getting tired of conducting instruction for free. Not sure who is going to conduct this mystical and magical training. Experience is really the best training out there. Not sure how you can minimize experience.
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Originally Posted by baseball
(Post 1820859)
Air Asia had a low time and inexperienced co pilot
Air France had a low time and inexperienced co pilot Trans Asia had a low time and inexperienced co pilot I think experience might be an issue right now, at least at foreign carriers. |
Originally Posted by skypilot35
(Post 1820828)
Given the number of current pilots who hold an ATP, there is no reason to roll back the requirement.
https://www.faa.gov/data_research/av...Air12-2013.xls Raise the pay and maybe more of those 153,000 ATP's will be attracted to the profession. Anybody know how many pilots are currently employed by the airlines? I am sure it is less than 100,000. That leaves a pilot surplus of over 53,000 pilots. There is no pilot shortage. |
Originally Posted by RB211
(Post 1820918)
An ATP is an instructor rating. Instructing is part of the job. The FAA will renew your instructor certs if your an ATP employed as a Captain in an Airline. Your instructing every F.O. you fly with, grooming them to be the next Captain, teaching by example.
Sure, an ATP can give instruction, but every second of every trip is a little overboard in my opinion. It's really a firehose effect at this level for an inexperienced and ill-qualified FO. The amount of information needs to be metered and controlled. I'd like to be able to let my guard down over a four day trip and relax a bit and enjoy the trip. If my airline decided to make me a check airman then I would agree with you. No over-ride, no instruction in my opinion (within reason). I just flew an international long haul trip with a low time FO. It was too much work in my opinion. |
Originally Posted by ClearRight
(Post 1820374)
This about sums it up.
"Miracle on the Hudson" Pilot Joins 3407 Families In Push For Airline Safety "3407 families are fearful of a push by the airline industry to ease the training requirements, and that it might be sneaked in as part of a broader bill to re-authorize the the FAA Charter this year." accident as a result of them changing the rule?..Way too much liability |
Originally Posted by RB211
(Post 1820918)
An ATP is an instructor rating. Instructing is part of the job. The FAA will renew your instructor certs if your an ATP employed as a Captain in an Airline. Your instructing every F.O. you fly with, grooming them to be the next Captain, teaching by example.
· A position involving the regular evaluation of pilots. NOTE: FAA ASIs should review evidence of the applicant’s employment, which should clearly show that the applicant is in a position involving the regular evaluation of pilots. ASIs also should have personal knowledge of the applicant’s flight instructing capabilities and qualities before renewing that applicant’s flight instructor certificate. If you are going to your CMO office or you can have the ASI contact your CMO, it probably would be fine, but it's not supposed to be an "automatic renewal", this from the inspector's handbook (8900). |
Originally Posted by GogglesPisano
(Post 1820777)
Unless checkrides can become more objectified, any attempt to use them to weed out plots will be met with stiff resistance. Sen Lautenberg of NJ tried to pull a "One Strike and You Need to Find Another Line of Work," rule and it didn't go anywhere.
I worked for a regional that had a 50% bust rate in the CRJ. It was obviously far from objective. Then you have the financial incentive issue. In the 90's some examiners were making 100K a year just giving checkrides (when a private exam was $125). I don't know what the answer is. But after flying with someone for 40 hours you get a better glimpse at behavior and traits than a quick look see. ACA had a pretty high failure rate on the CRJ at one point as well. To them it was the space shuttle. They gave us maintenance manuals at indoc. At JetBlue I get a lot of, "you don't need to know that." Which is great, but being old school, I'm still wondering what the answer is sometimes. |
There is another thread on this same topic started several days ago I believe.
It boggles my mind why any pilot would be against the higher minimums rule. Sully is speaking out on behalf of pilots...why would you guys not want that? Can someone please explain this. |
Originally Posted by Std Deviation
(Post 1821086)
IMO, the whole DPE system is flawed. What does it indicate: On that day, in that aircraft, under those conditions, with that examiner, my private pilot applicant performed (or not) for a three hour period. I did 3000+ hours of primary instructing (gold seal CFI) and had applicants that I figured would pass with flying colors - nope, pink slips. Others that I did all I could for, and hoped for the best - passed without a glitch.
Then you have the financial incentive issue. In the 90's some examiners were making 100K a year just giving checkrides (when a private exam was $125). I don't know what the answer is. But after flying with someone for 40 hours you get a better glimpse at behavior and traits than a quick look see. ACA had a pretty high failure rate on the CRJ at one point as well. To them it was the space shuttle. They gave us maintenance manuals at indoc. At JetBlue I get a lot of, "you don't need to know that." Which is great, but being old school, I'm still wondering what the answer is sometimes. A case study can be found in any college course- an instructor gives multiple closed book exams per semester, 4 or 5 usually, plus a final exam, plus they usually throw in a weighted score for homework grades, and after all that is calculated a final grade is established using a curve scatter because it is known that natural logarithms apply. Even with all that care and effort, students still complain "oh I got a B when I deserved an A". Imagine how random it would be if a final score were assigned using only one exam! At best you would get a ballpark idea such as, this candidate is alive or dead. Worst it is inadequate testing based on one (1) personal opinion on one (1) particular morning or afternoon. |
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