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I have heard at Southwest they allow pilots to add people they don't want to fly with again to a block list. They will then not get any more trips with said pilot.

Is there anything like this at your company?

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Yes, there is

This has got to be one of the dumbest threads I've ever seen..

There would be a lot more crashes if a company did not have one.

I had a friend with a puggle. It was a dumb mutt.

I remember a FO who used to brag about all the captains he put on his avoid list.

I'm thinking those Captains are probably the lucky ones then.

Sooner or later, management has to limit this. It has the potential to:

A. Black-list certain captains and FOs
B. Create dissention in the cockpit when it becomes known (and it will)
D. Make Scheduling tear out their hair
E. Allow 'crew feelings' to run the airline

The concept of not pairing people who can't get along may improve CRM in the short term, but it undermines the professionalism of the pilots in both seats.

What were they(mgmt) thinking? Where's the union in this?

At SkyWest we have "bid avoid" for PBS, so it only works for line holders. If you're on reserve, you get what you get.

It's typically used very sparingly. Somebody has to really rub you the wrong way for you to go through the trouble. And if someone has enough people blacklisting them, management really ought to deal with that person anyway. Never heard of that happening though, since this isn't commonly done.

You're wrong. Many airlines have this. Normally it serves to prevent rare combinations where the personalities involved just don't mix well...like a marine major who bid avoids a hippy wannabe who rants about politics.

Occasionally it serves to help management identify CAs who need some help...If several hundred FOs bid avoid someone, and tell their buddies to bid avoid her then maybe there really is an issue.

But FOs have an incentive to use the tool sparingly...otherwise their QOL sucks because they can't get the pairings they want.

Whoa.. who said it was a she? haha. Something to confess? :D

I think this is a healthy tool to identify troublemakers or people that simply, don't belong in the culture. It's a shame captain's can't have the same list for FO's. I personally will fly with a person once, evaluate why they were an a$$ on the overnight, try to fix the problem the next day, then give them the axe if it didn't work. On the list they go!

And we are all suppose to be professionals???

Someone's got it right!

Professionalism, patience, empathy, and giving people a break can only work for so long. Better this than to have a huge issue that leads to a compromise in safety.


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Just curious, what keeps the Fo's from listing all the junior captains, where they can only be paired with senior guys who have the better schedules?

If anyone does this, they pair him with a special "Attitude Adjustment Captain" from another base. This guy is so mean that the offender will never try that trick again. ;)

Just because you bid it doesn't mean you will get what you want if your seniority can't hold it.

Your genius has made my head explode.

In my experience only the F/Os had access to the "no fly" list. Why? Captain lines were assigned first. If the F/O's bid came up on one of his "no flies" he automatically defaulted to his next bid choice.

My favorite story about this list is the legend of the guy who put himself on his no fly list, so he got an entire month off since the system couldn't put him on a pairing which didn't have him on it.

I'd think it would revert to Reserve.

I see my bid changing to try to exploit these things. I expect that next month will suck when it massively backfires.