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Originally Posted by rickair7777
(Post 1852689)
To the noobs...
The reason the airlines are interviewing people months before they meet mins is because they want to get you "locked in", ie comfortable with a job offer and emotionally committed to the company after passing their grueling ten minute phone interview. I would not fall for that, but rather keep your options open. If you accept a "delayed-entry" offer and later decline they might blacklist you...I'd make sure you understand their policy/ramifications before you accept a job that you may not show up for. ESPECIALLY if the carrier is wholly-owned, and most especially WO DCI. If you decide to decline a previously accepted job offer, be sure and give plenty of notice (two weeks at least I would think). Write them a letter, say something about "family circumstances" or something along those lines. DO NOT simply no show a class date. Things are changing fast in the regional world... a few months from now you might be eligible for as fat signing bonus that wasn't available when you accepted an early offer. There's no need to accept an early offer for job security...they'll rescind that offer or send you packing on day two of ground school if it's even slightly convenient for them to do so. They can accept the "delayed-entry" offer and continue trying to get hired at other places. And when the time comes, pick the place that best suits them. The advice you give about giving notice is true of anyone who has multiple job offers. |
@rickair7777 Amen! So true! I interviewed almost 10 yrs ago when airlines could cherry pick the cream of the crop. I can't believe the hiring climate now. It's amazing!
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Originally Posted by SayAlt
(Post 1852786)
I would add to this that Sully Sullenberger is (deservedly) a hero in Congress' eyes and is very pro-active in opposition to any relaxation of the new law. He has a very potent voice on Capital Hill when it comes to aviation safety and walks in lock-step with the Colgan families.
And the last thing any Congressman/woman wants is Sully Sullenberger explaining to a news outlet why he/she is thoughtless and wrongheaded about the public's safety. Forget about changing the law. Ain't happening. And that's a wonderful thing. Maybe the best thing to happen for the pilot groups in decades. Spot on. It's simple economics. Fewer pilots + increased demand for pilots = higher pay Anyone interviewing early for the Regionals is playing right into mgmt's hands. Don't do it. Hold out. Wait until you're ready to go to work for them right away. Doing so puts MORE pressure on Co. mgmt to increase pay & signing bonuses sooner rather than later. (Assuming, of course, there actually IS a "pilot shortage". YMMV) Let's hope more articles like this circulate: It's Truly Terrifying That Some Pilots Earn Near Minimum Wage Emily Cohn The Huffington Post Posted: 02/12/14 04:04 PM ET Updated: 02/12/14 04:59 PM ET The next time you're flying in an airplane consider this: The person operating the aircraft might not be making much more than the person who made the Egg McMuffin you ate for breakfast. That's right. According to the Wall Street Journal, new airline pilots rank among the lowest-paid workers in the country, with some regional pilots earning as little as $15,000 per year. That's horrifying for a number of obvious reasons. For one, $15,000 -- or even $22,400 a year, the starting salary for pilots at 14 regional airlines -- is lower than the federal poverty line for a family of four in the U.S. It's also startling because of the extraordinary price of becoming a pilot in the first place. According to the Bureau of Labor Statistics, airline pilots usually need a bachelor's degree, a pilot's license, and certification that requires hundreds of hours of flight training. According to Bloomberg Businessweek, the cost of training flights alone can set you back more than $100,000. No wonder there's a shortage of pilots. Finances aside, earning poverty wages can be detrimental to your health. For instance: Poverty may lead lead to chronic stress, which can cause memory loss People living below the poverty line are more at risk of sleep disorders, like insomnia and sleep apnea People in poverty are more at risk of developing an addiction or substance abuse problem Lifelong poverty increases the risk of heart disease Consider this the next time you're flying on a small regional airline. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
[QUOTE=flyinjgirl;1854227]Let's hope more articles like this circulate:
It's Truly Terrifying That Some Pilots Earn Near Minimum Wage Emily Cohn The Huffington Post Posted: 02/12/14 04:04 PM ET Updated: 02/12/14 04:59 PM ET The next time you're flying in an airplane consider this: The person operating the aircraft might not be making much more than the person who made the Egg McMuffin you ate for breakfast. That's right. According to the Wall Street Journal, new airline pilots rank among the lowest-paid workers in the country, with some regional pilots earning as little as $15,000 per year. ] And you know that McDonald's is now paying $10/hr to their employees. Announced today (and not an April Fools Day Joke) |
Girl - I wish I has $1 for the look on every non-pilot's face when I told them what Regional FO's make.
Originally Posted by flyinjgirl
(Post 1854227)
Poverty may lead lead to chronic stress, which can cause memory loss People living below the poverty line are more at risk of sleep disorders, like insomnia and sleep apnea People in poverty are more at risk of developing an addiction or substance abuse problem Lifelong poverty increases the risk of heart disease Consider this the next time you're flying on a small regional airline.
Originally Posted by aTOMLondon
(Post 1852056)
I'm not a pilot. And I realize technical issues can occur. But crazy pilot was nowhere in my imagination when I took off on one of your budget flights.
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15K?!? did you go there because of quick upgrades or a shinny new jet?
We get minimum 33K 1st year at PDT (including bonus), assuming all reserve pay. Plus family insurance coverage, etc.. |
Originally Posted by NewPil0t
(Post 1854261)
We get minimum 33K 1st year at PDT (including bonus), assuming all reserve pay.
What do you think most industries pay a new hire for a job that (now) requires BOTH a 4 yr degree + $100k in licensing/experience? $33k sucks. $50k would suck. Relatively speaking. |
Originally Posted by SayAlt
(Post 1854264)
Hmmmm.
What do you think most industries pay a new hire for a job that (now) requires BOTH a 4 yr degree + $100k in licensing/experience? $33k sucks. $50k would suck. Relatively speaking. So true. My husband's company has an onsite gym with a personal trainer and showers which have any toiletries you'd want including sunscreen and toothbrushes!! A nurse who you can go to anytime if you feel sick and they give flu shots on site. He has a 4 yr degree. I was slept on a disgusting couch in the crew lounge with about 10 other crewmembers, including captains, to catch a 6 am commute flight home because I couldn't afford a hotel. We are suckers. It's all about the dangling carrot in front of us. My dad earned $800 a month in 1976 to fly 737's. In 40 years that has barely doubled. Seems wrong. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
Originally Posted by NewPil0t
(Post 1854261)
15K?!? did you go there because of quick upgrades or a shinny new jet?
We get minimum 33K 1st year at PDT (including bonus), assuming all reserve pay. Plus family insurance coverage, etc.. |
33K is a joke, but it's double this tragic number everybody loves to refer to.
Anything bellow 100K is probably not reasonable. But for the lower ranks to make that kind of $$, the longevity pay would have to be lower.. in the regionals, at least. The B scale was created by the Major Unions.. and the clearest example is 1st year pay in the majors is even more silly than regional pay. |
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