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Originally Posted by Slick111
(Post 1872673)
I watched the video from the congressional hearing, (and by the way, Sully was absolutely brilliant), and it occurred to me that NO ONE asked the most important question: "WHY?"
WHY,.......... does that RAA, (and the cowardly regional airline executives hiding behind it) want congress believe that some kind of "structured educational requirement" would serve the nation's airline passengers better than requiring all airline pilots to have Airline Transport Pilot licenses? WHY??? Would anyone care to take a guess? WHY would the RAA (doing the bidding of regional airline management) want to see the 1500 hour/A.T.P. requirement replaced with some kind of heretofore undeveloped, untested, unrecognized "structural educational requirement"? |
Originally Posted by Fegelein
(Post 1873054)
Because any swinging d$&@ can go to ATP and get an ATP. What's needed is the structured four year degree program in professional aeronautics from established universities like ERAU and UND. Their students have taken classes in advanced avionics, turbine aircraft systems and high altitude and high speed aerodynamics. Plus they will have attended the in house RJ transition course where they will experience CRM and FMS.
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Originally Posted by inline five
(Post 1873031)
Paying new and even FO's in general such low wages is appalling. It's despicable the union is blocking wage increases for 50% of the pilot group. It's also despicable the senior guys get such large wages while the junior guys get such small ones. Time to condense the pay scales significantly.
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Wow, Black is a b****. She just blatantly lied during a Congressional hearing because there's no way she's unaware that Great Lakes FO's make $16k, and there's no way she doesn't know how big the discrepancy between regional and legacy pay is. Isn't perjury a felony?
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Originally Posted by Fegelein
(Post 1873054)
Because any swinging d$&@ can go to ATP and get an ATP. What's needed is the structured four year degree program in professional aeronautics from established universities like ERAU and UND. Their students have taken classes in advanced avionics, turbine aircraft systems and high altitude and high speed aerodynamics. Plus they will have attended the in house RJ transition course where they will experience CRM and FMS.
I'm a believer in the 1500 hour rule, but the quality of pilots has not improved because of it. As a matter of fact it has forced hiring the same pilots that were rejected at 500 hours, but with another 1000 hours of reinforcing their bad habits. |
Originally Posted by deltajuliet
(Post 1873065)
Wow, Black is a b****. She just blatantly lied during a Congressional hearing because there's no way she's unaware that Great Lakes FO's make $16k, and there's no way she doesn't know how big the discrepancy between regional and legacy pay is. Isn't perjury a felony?
"I don't recall Senator." worked in Iran-Contra hearing pretty well. |
She's right that structured training needs to improve, but who is going to pay. I remember a check airman told me one of the pilots on IOE tried to forward slip a swept wing jet from a high approach to landing. If the pilot had read "Fly the Wing", Aerodynamics for Naval Aviators, or received at least some good training on swept wing aerodynamics, he wouldn't have done this. I've flown with captains who didn't know about coffin corner, or who didn't consider best long range cruise when we encountered strong headwinds aloft.
There is a gap missing in airline training. Most of us go from recips to jets very quickly, with no step in between. Many go from bug smashers to airline training in a couple of days. But what I don't want to see is structured training as code word for a university degree and flying lessons that the govt. and taxpayer are put on the hook for. RAA wants to offer metered flows and all kinds of candy that they control. |
Though I like Sully's points, his motivation has always been scope and taking it back from the regionals, under the guise of safety. We want flying to shift back to mainline, but don't exploit safety and 3407 to do it.
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Originally Posted by Fegelein
(Post 1873054)
Because any swinging d$&@ can go to ATP and get an ATP. What's needed is the structured four year degree program in professional aeronautics from established universities like ERAU and UND. Their students have taken classes in advanced avionics, turbine aircraft systems and high altitude and high speed aerodynamics. Plus they will have attended the in house RJ transition course where they will experience CRM and FMS.
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Originally Posted by Fegelein
(Post 1873054)
Because any swinging d$&@ can go to ATP and get an ATP. What's needed is the structured four year degree program in professional aeronautics from established universities like ERAU and UND. Their students have taken classes in advanced avionics, turbine aircraft systems and high altitude and high speed aerodynamics. Plus they will have attended the in house RJ transition course where they will experience CRM and FMS.
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If the government weakens the rule, i will be the first one in Washington opposing the decision... I believe in an advance training program, experience behind the controls and exposure to the environment. One big problem we have in the airline i work for, is candidates knowing the airplane by the book and When they are placed behind the controls, they get frustrated and ask for more sim-time cuz they cant figure out how to even make proper instrument interpretation...Sad but true, they can fly the S^%yT of Microsoft.
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Just raising pay won't solve the issue now. it might have years ago but now it's too late. raise pay to 60/hr for first year FO and there will still be a pilot shortage for at least 3 to 5 years at the regional level.
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Originally Posted by deltajuliet
(Post 1873065)
Wow, Isn't perjury a felony?
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That was a long but good watch. I really liked how he said "no disrespect but we're going to go with the 20K hour pilots opinion!"
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I'm glad he's with Sully, but he was irritating coming off as "I'm one of the pilots with my 300 hours." I'm amazed at some of these politicians getting elected with their horrible, rambling public speaking abilities, as well as their obvious lack of homework on this topic. A few were on point but quite a few weren't.
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Originally Posted by seafeye
(Post 1873113)
What people need is a couple of years digging ditches. Learning what it's like to earn a living, working with good and bad bosses. Not sitting in some air conditioned playground that was paid for by mom and dad.
And then you decide to go to the regionals because it's the best path to the majors since you don't medically qualify to fly in the military, and there's no shortage of trust babies doing the same thing because they're quite OK with having mom and dad subsidize their first couple of year flying for peanuts. |
Originally Posted by Cloudnine
(Post 1872722)
I think the problem is more complex than just Pay. At least in terms of restoring the pipeline.
Ms. Black mentioned how EAS contracts are being won by 135 carriers nowadays. Rather than regulation to reduce ATP mins further, why not lift the 9 seat cap on 135 commuter and raise it to like 19 or 25 seats. They could use 2 pilot aircraft/fly under IFR, and hire FO's with commercial/multi creating a "seamless" pipeline from flight school to ATP once again. The 135 carriers could greatly increase capacity. It's probably not economically feasible to fly these routes with just 9 seats in most cases unless EAS subsidized. The other problem is there are no aircraft in development in this category. CAPE Air alone cannot produce the FO's the 121 carriers need. From what I've seen, most graduates aren't taking crop dusting jobs, no, but the part 91 flying has diminished greatly, as evidenced the AOPA president's testimony. Part 135 is mostly single pilot as it stands. So you do have a gap (from 250-700 or so). This I believe does influence career decision making at the very outset. Everyone says get a CFI but it is an additional expense that people don't always have. As a side note, I believe the CFI mins should be something like 500 hours anyways. Many people on here want the regional model to implode but its such a haphazard way of solving the issue. |
At the end of the video, they ask if the first year wage is really $22,000-$24,000 and Ms. Black said she didn't know for sure. But then she says that one of her airlines has a higher first year wage than some of the majors? I did a search of the airline that belong to the RAA and this is the list.
Air Wisconsin Airlines Corp., AirNet Systems Inc., Cape Air, Chautauqua Airlines, CommutAir, Compass Airlines, Empire Airlines, Endeavor Air, Envoy, ExpressJet Airlines, GoJet Airlines, Grand Canyon Airlines/Scenic, Great Lakes Aviation, Hawaii Island Air, Horizon Air, Island Airlines-Nantucket, Jazz Aviation, Mesa Airlines, New England Airlines, Piedmont Airlines, PSA Airlines, RAVN Alaska, Republic Airlines, Seaborne Airlines, Shuttle America, Silver Airways, SkyWest Airlines, Surf Air, Trans States Airlines I started looking around but couldn't find any airline on this list that paid more than $30 for first year. Is there a major out there that pays less than that for first year? I am thinking of putting together a list of everyone that was part of that committee and seeing if I can find email address or contact info. My thoughts is that we should all send an articulate message that calls out some of the wrong info that Ms. Black was spewing. Let these people know that Republic doesn't have cancellation pay. Let them know that the reason unions don't want to raise first year pay is that because it is not fair to give new hires a 40% raise, while giving the finger to the pilots that have worked and built the airlines they work for. Let them know that SkyWest values their workforce so much, that they want to give them a whole $1-$2 more over the next 4 years. I just can't believe that Ms. Black could sit there and flat out lie when she was asked point blank questions. I loved it when Sully said that word has gotten out about how crappy it is to work for regionals. I think we need to let them know exactly what they are doing and that they need to improve working conditions and not just lower the hours. |
Originally Posted by disillusioned
(Post 1873608)
At the end of the video, they ask if the first year wage is really $22,000-$24,000 and Ms. Black said she didn't know for sure. But then she says that one of her airlines has a higher first year wage than some of the majors? I did a search of the airline that belong to the RAA and this is the list.
Air Wisconsin Airlines Corp., AirNet Systems Inc., Cape Air, Chautauqua Airlines, CommutAir, Compass Airlines, Empire Airlines, Endeavor Air, Envoy, ExpressJet Airlines, GoJet Airlines, Grand Canyon Airlines/Scenic, Great Lakes Aviation, Hawaii Island Air, Horizon Air, Island Airlines-Nantucket, Jazz Aviation, Mesa Airlines, New England Airlines, Piedmont Airlines, PSA Airlines, RAVN Alaska, Republic Airlines, Seaborne Airlines, Shuttle America, Silver Airways, SkyWest Airlines, Surf Air, Trans States Airlines I started looking around but couldn't find any airline on this list that paid more than $30 for first year. Is there a major out there that pays less than that for first year? I am thinking of putting together a list of everyone that was part of that committee and seeing if I can find email address or contact info. My thoughts is that we should all send an articulate message that calls out some of the wrong info that Ms. Black was spewing. Let these people know that Republic doesn't have cancellation pay. Let them know that the reason unions don't want to raise first year pay is that because it is not fair to give new hires a 40% raise, while giving the finger to the pilots that have worked and built the airlines they work for. Let them know that SkyWest values their workforce so much, that they want to give them a whole $1-$2 more over the next 4 years. I just can't believe that Ms. Black could sit there and flat out lie when she was asked point blank questions. I loved it when Sully said that word has gotten out about how crappy it is to work for regionals. I think we need to let them know exactly what they are doing and that they need to improve working conditions and not just lower the hours. It's not about the pay. Commuter pilots want upward movement over pay. PSA is filling classes, XJT is not. |
Originally Posted by Name User
(Post 1873618)
She said including bonuses.
It's not about the pay. Commuter pilots want upward movement over pay. PSA is filling classes, XJT is not. I agree that most pilots don't care about money at the regional level but you should not be flying passengers when you could make more at McDonalds. Raise first year pay across every regional, it won't break the bank. But you have to take care of all your pilots also. The regional has been sold in the past as a stepping stone, but that is not the case anymore. If it is a stepping stone, guarantee a spot with a major. Don't allow Delta to shop around and get rewarded by finding someone willing to do flying for next to nothing. Or shut down their WO flying or just use them to whipsaw other regionals. It is a broken model and has nothing to do with the hours they are requiring pilots to have. |
Originally Posted by seafeye
(Post 1873113)
What people need is a couple of years digging ditches. Learning what it's like to earn a living, working with good and bad bosses. Not sitting in some air conditioned playground that was paid for by mom and dad.
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Originally Posted by disillusioned
(Post 1873636)
The part I was talking about was 1:46 in the video. She said she has one airline that pays more than some majors and didn't make any mention of bonuses.
I agree that most pilots don't care about money at the regional level but you should not be flying passengers when you could make more at McDonalds. Raise first year pay across every regional, it won't break the bank. But you have to take care of all your pilots also. The regional has been sold in the past as a stepping stone, but that is not the case anymore. If it is a stepping stone, guarantee a spot with a major. Don't allow Delta to shop around and get rewarded by finding someone willing to do flying for next to nothing. Or shut down their WO flying or just use them to whipsaw other regionals. It is a broken model and has nothing to do with the hours they are requiring pilots to have. ALPA really is useless, why aren't they suing Delta for anti-competitive practices for using Endeavor as a means to force suppliers into price cuts for Delta's benefit. Delta bailed Bendeavor out just to use them as ringer in this game. |
Originally Posted by bedrock
(Post 1873738)
ALPA really is useless, why aren't they suing Delta for anti-competitive practices for using Endeavor as a means to force suppliers into price cuts for Delta's benefit. Delta bailed Bendeavor out just to use them as ringer in this game.
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Originally Posted by Name User
(Post 1873618)
She said including bonuses.
It's not about the pay. Commuter pilots want upward movement over pay. PSA is filling classes, XJT is not. |
Malarkey is slang for bullsh**, isn't it?
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These hearings are way too short to address all the intricacies of the regional airline pilot career challenge as well as the "broken economic model". I see Roger Cohen trained his mutt Malarkey to bark and sit on command. She spewed junk out of her mug during that entire hearing. I'm glad to see that the panel didn't buy into her crap. And AOPA's Baker was a real waste of time. He accomplished nothing for GA.
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Originally Posted by mpet
(Post 1874485)
She's easier to look at though.
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Originally Posted by clearprop
(Post 1874491)
I'm sorry, but was anyone else thinking MILF?
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Regional air carriers try to weaken rules for pilots Industry effort is resisted by Sen. Schumer, Capt. Sullenberger April 28, 2015 Regional airline carriers stepped up their efforts Tuesday for Congress to make “adjustments” and “refine” pilot training rules enacted in the aftermath of the fatal crash in 2009 of Continental Connection Flight 3407 in Clarence Center. In remarks prepared for testimony to the U.S. Senate aviation subcommittee in Washington, the interim president of the Regional Airline Association said the 1,500 hours of flight time required to earn an airline pilot transport license has had “unintended consequences” both on the quality and quantity of new pilots applying to regional carriers. Faye Malarkey Black testified that airlines are seeing fewer qualified pilots applying for jobs because, in part, they have spent too much “unstructured” time trying to rush to attain the 1,500 hours. She said the requirement “favors candidates who have amassed 1,500 hours over candidates who have undertaken academic pathways through tier piloting career but not amassed the 1,500 hours.” But Sen. Charles E. Schumer said that it is “troubling that the regional airlines continue to try to weaken the critical new safety rules” that were adopted following Feb. 12, 2009, crash that killed 50 people. Schumer said he will work with Congress to “flatly reject” the carriers’s push to get what he said would be a two-tiered pilot training system, for major carriers and the smaller airlines. Schumer was joined in a pushback against the industry effort by Chesley B. “Sully” Sullenberger III, pilot of the USAirways “Miracle on the Hudson” crash-landing that saved 155 lives in January 2009. Sullenberger accused the regional carriers of twisting facts and making false claims about pilot shortages while taking financial shortcuts that could threaten the flying public. Sullenberger, in testimony to the Senate panel, called on Congress to leave the pilot training rules untouched. “Public safety absolutely demands it,” he said. Following the Flight 3407 crash, blamed on pilot error, Congress enacted a series of new training and certification requirements, including that newly hired pilots have a minimum of 1,500 hours of flight experience. With the Federal Aviation Administration up for reauthorization this year, safety advocates, including family members of victims of Flight 3407, have worried the air transport industry would use that process to weaken the Airline Safety and Federal Aviation Administration Extension Act of 2010. The regional airline trade group Tuesday told an aviation subcommittee of the Senate Commerce, Science and Transportation Committee about a litany of problems created by the 1,500 hours flight experience rule. Black, the group’s president, used the term “unintended” consequences to describe the rule’s effects at least 16 times in 17 pages of written testimony submitted to the committee. Regional airlines today account for 46 percent of the nation’s passenger flights, and Black said the industry has a “deep concern” about the 1,500-hour requirement. The head of the trade group said prospective pilots now graduate from college and, instead of going into airline training programs before flying with passengers onboard, must spend one or two years in various noncommercial airline jobs trying to build up the hours. Black, the group’s interim president, noted that some take such jobs as crop-dusters, which do not provide “for the development of skills relevant to a commercial airline pilot.” Sullenberger called the industry’s concerns “spin.” He said that more pilots would be entering the system if the industry paid better, noting the $16,400 salary of the primary pilot of Flight 3407. :eek: As for the industry’s push to amend the experience rules, he said, “They could not be more wrong. There are no shortcuts to experience. There is no shortcut to safety. The standards are the standards because they are necessary.” Sullenberger said the stronger rules for pilots would not be in place without the lobbying effort by the Flight 3407 families. “Every member of the flying public owes them a debt of gratitude,” he said. But he sounded warnings about the stepped-up efforts to weaken the rules. “With the immediacy of that 2009 tragedy having passed, they are also appealing to new members of Congress and staffers who might not remember the Buffalo crash,” Sullenberger told lawmakers. “Putting self-interest over public safety, they are trying to gain your support in rolling back the essential progress that has been made for airline safety.” Sulllenberger called the industry’s claims about the impact of the 1,500-hour requirements are “preposterous.” He said the rules make it more likely that future airline pilots will earn a range of experience, such as flying in weather in different seasons, before applying to become a commercial pilots. Regional air carriers try to weaken rules for pilots - City & Region - The Buffalo News |
Originally Posted by disillusioned
(Post 1873608)
At the end of the video, they ask if the first year wage is really $22,000-$24,000 and Ms. Black said she didn't know for sure. But then she says that one of her airlines has a higher first year wage than some of the majors? I did a search of the airline that belong to the RAA and this is the list.
Air Wisconsin Airlines Corp., AirNet Systems Inc., Cape Air, Chautauqua Airlines, CommutAir, Compass Airlines, Empire Airlines, Endeavor Air, Envoy, ExpressJet Airlines, GoJet Airlines, Grand Canyon Airlines/Scenic, Great Lakes Aviation, Hawaii Island Air, Horizon Air, Island Airlines-Nantucket, Jazz Aviation, Mesa Airlines, New England Airlines, Piedmont Airlines, PSA Airlines, RAVN Alaska, Republic Airlines, Seaborne Airlines, Shuttle America, Silver Airways, SkyWest Airlines, Surf Air, Trans States Airlines I started looking around but couldn't find any airline on this list that paid more than $30 for first year. Is there a major out there that pays less than that for first year? I am thinking of putting together a list of everyone that was part of that committee and seeing if I can find email address or contact info. My thoughts is that we should all send an articulate message that calls out some of the wrong info that Ms. Black was spewing. Let these people know that Republic doesn't have cancellation pay. Let them know that the reason unions don't want to raise first year pay is that because it is not fair to give new hires a 40% raise, while giving the finger to the pilots that have worked and built the airlines they work for. Let them know that SkyWest values their workforce so much, that they want to give them a whole $1-$2 more over the next 4 years. I just can't believe that Ms. Black could sit there and flat out lie when she was asked point blank questions. I loved it when Sully said that word has gotten out about how crappy it is to work for regionals. I think we need to let them know exactly what they are doing and that they need to improve working conditions and not just lower the hours. |
Originally Posted by clearprop
(Post 1874491)
I'm sorry, but was anyone else thinking MILF?
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I finally agree with sully. And I agree that the 1500 rule should not be altered. Let the nickel-pinching, record-profit-earning pestilence of airline management fix the issue.
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I'm sure as long as they get offered 30 shiny new CRJs, the PSA pilots will get behind the lowering of the 1500 hour rule. Hey, you gotta do whats best for you! Oh snap! I just found PSAs new logo.
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Originally Posted by PilotCrusader
(Post 1884075)
I'm sure as long as they get offered 30 shiny new CRJs, the PSA pilots will get behind the lowering of the 1500 hour rule. Hey, you gotta do whats best for you! Oh snap! I just found PSAs new logo.
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Originally Posted by PilotCrusader
(Post 1884075)
I'm sure as long as they get offered 30 shiny new CRJs, the PSA pilots will get behind the lowering of the 1500 hour rule. Hey, you gotta do whats best for you! Oh snap! I just found PSAs new logo.
The only reps to object were from regionals (no, I won't name which ones, but you could probably figure it out anyway) who whined that they were having a hard time finding qualified new pilots. The rest of us couldn't believe what we were hearing. The vote record will show it was not a unanimous vote, the no's and abstains were in fact from regionals. The roster of who was on the committee should also be available from ALPA National. |
Originally Posted by Cujo665
(Post 1884091)
I was on the ALPA Legislative Affairs Committee Workgroup at the 2014 BOD this past October. I added an agenda item to make defending the 1500 hour rule a legislative priority. My motion was backed by Delta, United and FedEx status reps and we carried the day and it was added.
Outstanding! Please accept my sincere thanks. Hope I can buy you a round or three of your favorite drinks/beers someday. http://www.mematic.com/_/gifs/applau...ause-gif-3.gif
Originally Posted by sevenforseven
(Post 1884036)
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Originally Posted by Cujo665
(Post 1884091)
I was on the ALPA Legislative Affairs Committee Workgroup at the 2014 BOD this past October. I added an agenda item to make defending the 1500 hour rule a legislative priority. My motion was backed by Delta, United and FedEx status reps and we carried the day and it was added.
The only reps to object were from regionals (no, I won't name which ones, but you could probably figure it out anyway) who whined that they were having a hard time finding qualified new pilots. The rest of us couldn't believe what we were hearing. The vote record will show it was not a unanimous vote, the no's and abstains were in fact from regionals. The roster of who was on the committee should also be available from ALPA National. I think the main difference is in self respect. The RJ captain does not consider himself worthy of having self respect, his airline has the word express at the end. He sees himself as a pilot in training when he is actually a real pilot. In this topic the regional union rep wants to lower the minimums so his company can hire more pilots, more people will become captains and more will build that special PIC time. They want to help their companies by allowing the company to give bonuses to new hires rather than attracting pilots with a better contract for all. That is rather silly. They are basically telling the company to take 12 to 20k per year from their own families and to give the new hire 10k so the company can add get the pilot. That is actually doing the opposite. Without the bonuses the RJ pilot pay would double. Not only the 15-20% increase that Republic and Gojet unions are asking for. With the higher pay, pilots will stop going overseas and will start to return. Pilots who are sitting at home rather than going to work for 20,000 a year will go back to flying. The companies will get more pilots, the RJ pilots will get their precious PIC time. Now, assume I am wrong. The RJ Unions stop the bonuses and the airlines still refuse to pay pilots to fly airplanes, what will happen? Well, pilots at the majors will continue to retire, airlines will continue to grow 3 to 5% a year and the majors will still have to hire from the regionals. Few new pilots will be created because what idiot is going to spend all that money to become a pilot to make 20k a year? (Ok, many of you did it, but assume people are wising up after seeing you living in your parent's basement.) The RJ pilots that are so worried about their companies getting pilots will still end up at the majors because there won't be anyone else! And the majors will have to increase pay to get pilots. So stop the stupid bonuses that allow the companies to pay the new hire more money than the pilots who are already there. Stop the bonuses that allow the companies to not pay market rate for pilots. Get the money you and your family deserve. Stop starving your kids so that you can chase that stupid carrot. You are a highly trained professional in a profession that is desperate for your craft, have the self respect to demand what you are worth and the self respect not to accept less. Tell the union rep to see the light and demand 100% pay increases for all and not just 10k for the new guy. |
Originally Posted by ComAirColonel
(Post 1884296)
The union reps at the regionals are their own worst enemies. They have the power to double their pay rates but they are more concerned with chasing carrots, the chance to get to a major airline. They think there is something magical about flying a 737 compared to an RJ. Having over 5000 hours as a 737 captain, 3000 hours as a 767/757 Captain and 6000 as a 737 Captain, I can say that there is very little difference between flying the big plane and the RJ. The overwater stuff is something additional, and the big plane pilot has more live bodies, but otherwise they each have their own pluses and minuses. In fact while the big plane pilot is flying one or 2 legs a day the RJ pilot may be flying 4, 5, or 6. And the FedX and UPS guys don't mind being paid well.
I think the main difference is in self respect. The RJ captain does not consider himself worthy of having self respect, his airline has the word express at the end. He sees himself as a pilot in training when he is actually a real pilot. In this topic the regional union rep wants to lower the minimums so his company can hire more pilots, more people will become captains and more will build that special PIC time. They want to help their companies by allowing the company to give bonuses to new hires rather than attracting pilots with a better contract for all. That is rather silly. They are basically telling the company to take 12 to 20k per year from their own families and to give the new hire 10k so the company can add get the pilot. That is actually doing the opposite. Without the bonuses the RJ pilot pay would double. Not only the 15-20% increase that Republic and Gojet unions are asking for. With the higher pay, pilots will stop going overseas and will start to return. Pilots who are sitting at home rather than going to work for 20,000 a year will go back to flying. The companies will get more pilots, the RJ pilots will get their precious PIC time. Now, assume I am wrong. The RJ Unions stop the bonuses and the airlines still refuse to pay pilots to fly airplanes, what will happen? Well, pilots at the majors will continue to retire, airlines will continue to grow 3 to 5% a year and the majors will still have to hire from the regionals. Few new pilots will be created because what idiot is going to spend all that money to become a pilot to make 20k a year? (Ok, many of you did it, but assume people are wising up after seeing you living in your parent's basement.) The RJ pilots that are so worried about their companies getting pilots will still end up at the majors because there won't be anyone else! And the majors will have to increase pay to get pilots. So stop the stupid bonuses that allow the companies to pay the new hire more money than the pilots who are already there. Stop the bonuses that allow the companies to not pay market rate for pilots. Get the money you and your family deserve. Stop starving your kids so that you can chase that stupid carrot. You are a highly trained professional in a profession that is desperate for your craft, have the self respect to demand what you are worth and the self respect not to accept less. Tell the union rep to see the light and demand 100% pay increases for all and not just 10k for the new guy. ....... |
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