Maybe I just don't get it, but why couldn't BB just say "sorry Delta, due to our long term 'one fleet strategy' and our difficulty attracting new pilots we are unable to extend the 145'contract." What am I missing?

Basically what delta does, usually the other 2 are going to follow suit. Having said that, I think those 175s are going to go to someone else. When RAH is canceling more than 80 flights a day when those come online.

Shuttle has the worst of the cancellations. Republic hovers around 1-3%. I'm not sure how much of that is crew cancellation. My guess is they moved the United 175s to republic to survive the summer.

Someone mentioned this last week and I started to follow the numbers. It looks like it wasn't just yesterday, basically every single day they lead the world in cancellations. It seems weird that they even attempted to keep the 145's.

That's no rumor! Delta and United have both been in HQ to "monitor" the situation.

Who cares if we get a new contract! It will not help to stop attrition, because many are leaving to much better places. I just flew with a 2014 hire last week, and he is actively looking to get out of this place. This place sucks because of the culture, and the contract is a product of that culture. We will have a new contract soon, but I doubt it will be industry leading, and I don't expect much of a signing bonus.

yah skywest is going to take over rah's delta flying dokay!! from where, SLC? DEN? Haha, who cares how many 170's they have on order. Can order as many rj's as you want you still need pilots to fly them. simple fact of the matter is delta couldn't yank rah's flying and just hand it to some other regional and see the reliability and efficiency improve. the only hope any regional has today of attracting enough pilots to fly their crappy flying is quick upgrades and that ship has sailed for most.

Tell that to PSA, Mesa, Compass and Transstates. They all offer quick upgrade and are filling their classes.

Sir, yes sir. But I'm pretty sure the XJT operation could fill in for YX/S5 as soon as United says the word...with their own E-175s to boot. The largest 50-seat pilot group in the country. United wants to slash those E-145s. You get the picture.

Republic's upgrade time is dropping rapidly with the 145's staying onboard. That coupled with what I believe will be an industry leading contract could very well change the game. Everything is cyclical in this industry, and that cycle is about to hit republic. The word is that there are new cpa's coming republics way, but they must settle their labor issue before they can be awarded. It wouldn't surprise me at all if more flying was awarded soon after the contract is settled.

There might be enough rejects and lateral movement to staff them. These types of applicants are still finding there way to other bottom feeders.

Industry leading contract at Republic???

Head of flight dept. acknowledged that we have everything ready to go for a 175 on property up to the point where you actually need a 175 on property to complete the process...

Boy oh boy i better get my resume ready!!!!

so xjt has a gom/poh/fom/sop written, a training structure/regimen, instructors and sims all lined up for a plane they dont have or have plans of getting? yah makes sense to me too

Lol. Keep telling yourself that xjt is ready for 175's. Do people not understand what it takes to add an airframe? Do you not understand that these 50 planes are purchased by RAH and under contract with UA? A contract. As in, locked in.

So United can not break the contract if Republic can't staff the aircraft? They will just have a bunch of pretty looking E-175 paperweights all over the ramp sitting dormant and nothing United can do about it? Isn't this exactly what we are talking about here, Republic's apparent inability to staff it upcoming growth?

What incentive do the other Express/Connection carriers with no staffing issues have for covering the flying RJET already can't handle on May 6th, forget July 1st. There is none.

The gentleman from XJT is correct sir. The E170 program has been completed for some time now to the point of needing the actual plane to continue. Not every regional operates like bedford's big top circus. Some think ahead.

I do hope nobody will fall for the lipstick on the pig routine. Republic will never be a good place to work unless they do a giant lav dump in hq. WH was just the tip of the iceberg.

Delta: "Ok BB, no problem, pay us the ___$ massive cancellation fee in cash as stated in our contract

BB: "ok, I'll get back to you. " (oh ******** that's a lot of money). "Ok delta, we'll keep flying them until the end of the contract"

Extended THIRTY EIGHT 145's to 2021 AND awarded 9 more 175's.

So minus 30 Dash-8s, add 50 175s for United, 9 more for (Delta?), plus maintaining current 145 compliment?

Lol. Uh ok. Whatever you say. Then you should be getting them any day, right? So you even have Sim time blocked and ready to go, huh? CKA all ready (even with zero time in the plane)? Please. XJT at the bare minimums are mid 2016 before you'd be ready for it. You're being lied to in order to get suckers to stay there.

Whenever republic loses their contract...Take the blinders off your eyes my friend, S5 has worse CCF than C5....they are canceling flights left and right for NO CREWS. There is NOTHING to attract pilots (no cancelation pay, no dead head pay, terrible benefits) and you're saying that Shuttle and RAH will be able to staff MORE airplanes...writing is on the wall. not saying the flying will go to XJT but its better staffed than S5 and ready to go. I dont know why you have a hard on to say that it couldn't possibly happen.

Am I missing something? Doesn't RAH own their own airplanes? Even if the contract was terminated the other airline that received the flying would have to order planes since the airframes are owned by RAH.

Question 1. If somehow you all are able to instantly jump start a new 175 program, where are you getting 50 of them from in time to make a difference? Because as previously stated, our 50 are owned by RAH, not united. I doubt they would be for sale.

Question 2. Why are you so hellbent on RAH losing our contract and picking up our flying? I believe the only two regionals left that said no to garbage contracts are expressjet and.... wait for it... Republic. We are very close to a new TA, which will have to be good, or this pilot group will say no, again. Might that be a good thing for you and the rest of the industry if we are able to raise the bar??

So RAH will just let airplanes sit in the desert, "in spite".

No they could exercise some options with another one of the 3 carriers they use to buy them time. Just a theory.

That's how a lot of pilots think. Its either:

As long as I got mine, I do not give a rodent's behind about you.
or Oh my, he's got it good, how do I bring him down to my level. Lots of crab mentality.
or If I post misleading info on APC, I will lure more suckers to join my airline, thus enhancing my own position. Pass the koolaid.

There is a lot of chaff to sift through, to get to the grains.

Its the newbies who pay the price. They will rue the day they made their decisions based on all the self-serving info posted here.

You're off by a few Q400s, but RAH is also parking their 5 E-190s currently used for charters, so the total is pretty much correct.


They own most of their airplanes, including all of the 50 going to the new UAL Shuttle Republic flying. But UAL holds a bunch of options on E-175s, so if UAL wanted to give E175 flying to another carrier, they would just exercise those options. That was how SkyWest and Mesa got their 175s. Not sure what DAL would do.

skywest Inc. does have those 53 delivery slots still locked up, just saying

The logical thing for RAH to do with them is to lease them to bring in some revenue for the shareholders. Crazy to think that he would lease the planes to the company they lost the flying to, but he is responsible to the shareholders and no one else. He will do what they tell him to do, even if it means turning RAH into a leasing company.

Not looking for an argument good sir, just stating the fact that the paperwork side of things is done. No SIM time or CKA yet that I know of.

Scope within RAH's CBA with the pilot group scope would not allow that.

Interesting note from the earnings announcement:

Delta Air Lines exercised its right to extend 24 aircraft under the Shuttle America ERJ code-share agreement from May 2016 to May 2021. The Company currently operates 41 aircraft under the agreement with Delta, of which 17 can be removed by Delta with 90 days prior written notice.

Glad to hear you have that protection. No caveat about "unless no RAH pilot is furloughed" or anything similar is there?

My theory still stands that Delta extended the contract in order to sue Republic/Shuttle for breach of contract and either bring United and or American into the same world of hurt that Delta is in. Republic and or Shuttle will most certainly have to declare bankruptcy for their failure to meet contract obligations. Could that be the reason to put the new United 175's on the Republic certificate? Shield the Republic side from the world of hurt Shuttle is going through. Heller already bounced or was fired how long until Bedford can find a better gig?

For those that think 50's are dissapearing right away, apparently delta likes 50 seaters enough to keep them around another 6 years. I'm assuming the majors were smart and hedged a bunch of fuel at when it was under $50/barrell and plans on using it to keep the 50's flying as long as they can be staffed

That is also in there but wouldn't be applicable under that situation. I think it is worded that any leases must not cause a furlough. But that is meant to protect against leasing to foreign carriers (which we have/are doing. I believe they could get away with leasing the aircraft to foreign carriers under this clause. However, for the domestic market (the situations discussed earlier in the thread) it would not be possible under the current contract.

Delta extended the 145 contract due to the failure of signing a 50 seat contract with air whiskey. Very simple...

Why would Delta do that? The 145s are not going to be the first thing staffed and have the fastest upgrade. There will be pilots to fly it. Furthermore, if Delta really wanted to bring other airlines into "the same world of hurt" and perhaps do a huge amount of damage they could purchase a regional that mainly does flying for another mainline carrier and put those planes/pilots where you want them. In this environment it would be devastating to mainline feed.